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matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to Greg2600

Re: [HD] Maybe this means more HD will follow...

said by Greg2600:

Who in their right mind would pay for that stuff when it's free on the web!

You know this how? LOL


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
said by matcarl:

You know this how? LOL

Heard it on the grapevine.


TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY
reply to nascar
how long is it going to take Verizon to switch all current HD channels over to MPEG-4?...not just new channels or the least popular ones but the ones people actually watch?...hopefully they can at least start with the premiums as I would love to see HBO's new season of Game of Thrones (starting March 31) with native MPEG-4


Nezmo
The name's Bond. James Bond.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-11-10
Coppell, TX
kudos:1
said by TitusTroy:

...I would love to see HBO's new season of Game of Thrones (starting March 31) with native MPEG-4

Can you tell the difference?
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TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY
said by Nezmo:

Can you tell the difference?

probably not but it will be better so why not get every last bit of detail out there...I will be able to tell if they can substantially increase the bit rate

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to TitusTroy
said by TitusTroy:

how long is it going to take Verizon to switch all current HD channels over to MPEG-4?...not just new channels or the least popular ones but the ones people actually watch?...hopefully they can at least start with the premiums as I would love to see HBO's new season of Game of Thrones (starting March 31) with native MPEG-4

The question you should be asking is "how long will it take for Verizon to eliminate transcoding again?"

Not all channels are broadcast in MPEG4.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

Did he actually complain there's no Playboy or Hustler HD? Who in their right mind would pay for that stuff when it's free on the web!

Did he actually complain that there's no H2 HD? Who in their right mind would pay for that stuff when it's free on the web!

Internet Pro Tip: You can pirate most of the material that is aired on the channels that Verizon is missing. Including A&E/History content that is aired on H2. So I guess Verizon shouldn't add H2 then because we can just get their stuff for free on the web!

Just because you can pirate it doesn't make it right, or more convenient, or as good of quality as the HDTV feed.

Last time I checked not all Playboy or Hustler owned content was available for free in high definition quality on the Internet and most of the stuff that is available freely is made available as a result of copyright infringement. Playboy and Hustler's websites require a paid subscription.

nlk10010

join:2007-06-27
Great Neck, NY
Of course Greg can speak for himself but I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that he wasn't talking about pirating content; rather that content which, uh, shall we say, "serves the same general purpose" is all over the web.

But I wouldn't know anything about that.

If I'm wrong then I apologize.


MND32

@verizon.net
reply to nascar
Hold up - there is a discussion going on about the value of Playboy/Hustler HD? A. I can't understand who in their right mind would continue to subscribe for that "entertainment" when its pretty much one grade above cinemax. B. How about spending the monthly subscription on a real life partner or a divorce attorney if your life is that boring that you need this monthly. - Back on topic - why the recent push for MPEG4 instead of converting everything to IP?


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to nascar
The primary reason is that MPEG-4 is not a huge technology leap/change from what they have now. It's just a different compression format. Most of the HD hardware accepts it, much of the HD channels are sent to VZ in it, and it clearly offers savings in QAM space. Not to mention it doesn't cost them much to do it.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to MND32
said by MND32 :

Hold up - there is a discussion going on about the value of Playboy/Hustler HD?

Yes, there is.

Playboy/Hustler HD are 1,000x more entertaining than "EntertainmentStudios .TV" and "Retirement Living TV." That's the point we're all getting at. Anything would be better than these channels.

nlk10010

join:2007-06-27
Great Neck, NY
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

-snip-
So still expect 3 dozen more channels to come!

That sounds great until we find out there are 3 dozen .TV channels we don't know anything about.


Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to nascar
I read on the Verizon forums someone said there is actually ANOTHER .TV channel Byron is coming out with called Justice Central.TV, and of course Verizon is adding it.

Mac973

join:2009-05-18
West Orange, NJ
reply to nascar
It's unfortunate how Verizon is really falling behind in terms of basic technology. Directv started using MPEG4 when I had them...over 5 years ago. And Verizon still doesn't support DVR's with more than 2 tuners. Other companies like AT&T have had these for years.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to Greg2600
said by Greg2600:

I read on the Verizon forums someone said there is actually ANOTHER .TV channel Byron is coming out with called Justice Central.TV, and of course Verizon is adding it.

So there's going to be 8 now?

quote:
Justice Central .TV, which also is carried on AT&T U-Verse, features court shows produced and distributed by Entertainment Studios, including America's Court with Judge Ross, We the People with Gloria Allred, Justice for All with Judge Cristina Perez and the studio's newest court show, Supreme Justice with Judge Karen.

"Court programming is the second highest-rated genre on daytime television, and JusticeCentral.TV is the only 24-hour HD court and legal news network," said Byron Allen, founder, chairman, and CEO of Entertainment Studios in a statement. "Our goal and commitment is to make JusticeCentral.TV the premier legal television news network."
Vomit.


just lou

join:2008-05-16
Staten Island, NY
said by MURICA:

said by Greg2600:

I read on the Verizon forums someone said there is actually ANOTHER .TV channel Byron is coming out with called Justice Central.TV, and of course Verizon is adding it.

So there's going to be 8 now?

quote:
Justice Central .TV, which also is carried on AT&T U-Verse, features court shows produced and distributed by Entertainment Studios, including America's Court with Judge Ross, We the People with Gloria Allred, Justice for All with Judge Cristina Perez and the studio's newest court show, Supreme Justice with Judge Karen.

"Court programming is the second highest-rated genre on daytime television, and JusticeCentral.TV is the only 24-hour HD court and legal news network," said Byron Allen, founder, chairman, and CEO of Entertainment Studios in a statement. "Our goal and commitment is to make JusticeCentral.TV the premier legal television news network."
Vomit.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.


bull3964

@verizon.net
reply to Mac973
said by Mac973:

It's unfortunate how Verizon is really falling behind in terms of basic technology. Directv started using MPEG4 when I had them...over 5 years ago. And Verizon still doesn't support DVR's with more than 2 tuners. Other companies like AT&T have had these for years.

Name one other traditional QAM MSO who's even close to implementing MPEG4.

MPEG4 was a necessity for sat providers as they got hit by the bandwidth crunch far sooner. Sat subscribers are also far more accustomed to assuming more of the cost of their equipment themselves which facilitated the changeover.

If you want to talk about falling behind, Comcast in my area wasn't even doing digital/analog simulcast as late as 2009.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
said by bull3964 :

said by Mac973:

It's unfortunate how Verizon is really falling behind in terms of basic technology. Directv started using MPEG4 when I had them...over 5 years ago. And Verizon still doesn't support DVR's with more than 2 tuners. Other companies like AT&T have had these for years.

Name one other traditional QAM MSO who's even close to implementing MPEG4.

Some of Time Warner Cable's really niche channels like ESPN 3D are MPEG-4.


bull3964

@verizon.net
said by MURICA:

Some of Time Warner Cable's really niche channels like ESPN 3D are MPEG-4.

They aren't available in all Time Warner markets though. I believe Verizon is the first to embrace MPEG4 across their whole market and for some fairly mainstream stations (with some of those movie channels.)

Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to bull3964
Cox has implemented MPEG-4 for all HD channels in the Plus Package, and all digital channels will be moved to MPEG-4 later this year.


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:3
said by Os:

Cox has implemented MPEG-4 for all HD channels in the Plus Package, and all digital channels will be moved to MPEG-4 later this year.

okay where did you get that all channels on Cox are going MPEG4? Most of the boxes on Cox are MPEG2 only.

kes601

join:2007-04-14
Virginia Beach, VA
kudos:2

Os

join:2011-01-26
US
reply to motorola870
All future additions will be MPEG-4, and one of their employees posted that if the channel is in the digital tier (Cox still has analog), that it will be moved to MPEG-4 later this year if the HD version is carried by Cox, depending on the market.

brutus

join:2003-12-16
Tampa, FL
reply to Mac973
said by Mac973:

It's unfortunate how Verizon is really falling behind in terms of basic technology. Directv started using MPEG4 when I had them...over 5 years ago. And Verizon still doesn't support DVR's with more than 2 tuners. Other companies like AT&T have had these for years.

They do support DVRs with more than 2 tuners. They support TiVo and Media Center via CableCARD. You just can't get a 4 tuner DVR from Verizon currently.


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:3
reply to Os
said by Os:

All future additions will be MPEG-4, and one of their employees posted that if the channel is in the digital tier (Cox still has analog), that it will be moved to MPEG-4 later this year if the HD version is carried by Cox, depending on the market.

Doubt this is going to happen due to all of the MPEG2 boxes out in the field still. They are making new adds in MPEG4 for most channels that are added from now on and MPEG4 is limited to the plus package. There is no way that Cox is going to move the entire digital tier HD channels to MPEG4 unless there is a very small amount of HD digital basic tier channels carried.

The only thing cox has been moving to MPEG4 is the plus package. I highly doubt they are going to be taking away HD channels from the passport boxes.


motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:3
maybe I am getting cynical but what if when Verizon does the MPEG4 conversion they move almost their entire set of national HD MPEG2 channels to 3 to a QAM and free up even more space then most people are expecting?

crgauth

join:2004-05-18
Glen Burnie, MD
kudos:1
I didn't think that some of the MPEG2 would fit more than 2/QAM without compression. And so far, Verizon has not done any compression of channels.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to motorola870
said by motorola870:

maybe I am getting cynical but what if when Verizon does the MPEG4 conversion they move almost their entire set of national HD MPEG2 channels to 3 to a QAM and free up even more space then most people are expecting?

They've already done this because there aren't many MPEG-2 channels distributed at bitrates higher than 3-to-a-QAM (~13 Mbps).

Very few channels have a bitrate higher than 13 Mbps on Verizon anymore. AXS.tv and HDNet Movies are the only two natively distributed MPEG-2 @ 13+ Mbps ones I can think of.

Verizon re-encodes some of the MPEG-4 distributed channels to 17 Mbps MPEG-2 though. It's been a while since I've checked but EPIX and ESPN were two examples of this. Pretty wasteful. Will be nice when they can just pass these on through because I doubt the ESPN and EPIX MPEG-4 satellite distribution feeds have bitrates as high as Verizon is re-encoding them to as MPEG-2.