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El Quintron
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Re: Proposal to merge NS, NB, PEI.

said by ekster:

It doesn't sound like a bad idea... but UM sounds terrible to me. We already have United States and United Mexican States! Not everything needs to be named united...

I doubt maritimers would go for it, if only because Nova Scotia, would probably end up running the show. The have the biggest population and are much more liberal than either NB or PEI for starters.

It's an interesting idea, but you'd have a tough sell on your hands.
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said by El Quintron:

I doubt maritimers would go for it, if only because Nova Scotia, would probably end up running the show. The have the biggest population and are much more liberal than either NB or PEI for starters.

You could subdivide internally and allow a limited amount of home rule among what were formerly provinces, while centralizing revenue generation and the big costs like health care, education and infrastructure.

It's actually a pretty good idea, it's just figuring out a way to implement it that would be killer.


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If Maine would join in, it would be a perfect solution

Throw in some of Vermont and New Hampster, or cut some of Quebec out and you have a very good idea
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said by Gone:

You could subdivide internally and allow a limited amount of home rule among what were formerly provinces, while centralizing revenue generation and the big costs like health care, education and infrastructure.

It would be a good idea to maintain some regional independence, seeing as the areas are pretty varied in both needs and economic activity.

I'll ask my mom when I talk to her this weekend and see how long the conversation can hold.
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said by Devanchya:

Throw in some of Vermont and New Hampster....

I bought a new hampster at the pet store today....


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said by Devanchya:

If Maine would join in, it would be a perfect solution

Throw in some of Vermont and New Hampster, or cut some of Quebec out and you have a very good idea

Not as unlikely as you think.

Northern Quebec goes on it's own...name it Quebec, they want their country, give it to them.
Southern Quebec and Maine merge, name it Mainland Quebec
The Maritimes merge. Call it Acadian.
Newfoundland & Labrador, well, they stay the same.

The Obama doesn't care about the north eastern states anyway, maybe we'll pick-up some other states as well.
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said by J E F F:

The Obama doesn't care about the north eastern states anyway, maybe we'll pick-up some other states as well.

The six New England states went for Obama, even conservative NH.

OTOH you guys could take Texas. Some people there want to leave anyway. And there is a lot in common between Texas and Alberta....

Hey, what about Saint Pierre and Miquelon? Maybe they can be convinced to join prosperous Canada rather than stay with a France that hardly knows they exist.


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said by PX Eliezer70:

Hey, what about Saint Pierre and Miquelon? Maybe they can be convinced to join prosperous Canada rather than stay with a France that hardly knows they exist.

France sinks a fair chunk of change into SP&M if only to stake a claim on the fish stocks...

Anecdotally, I have a friend who's dad was trained as psychiatrist in France, who currently lives in New-Brunswick. He goes to SP&M every summer and the French gov pays him handsomely for it.

I think they regard it as a "frontier region" like Alaska or the territories in Canada.
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said by El Quintron:

I think they regard it as a "frontier region" like Alaska or the territories in Canada.

Frontier indeed, France wants to reclaim Newfoundland!

From Newfoundland then boats to Labrador, also march to New Brunswick which is already largely francophone, then partner with an eager Quebec.

To rival the Canadian federation, that would be a true Arcadian federation as the first new member of a reborn French Community of Nations....


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25% of the population doesn't make somewhere "largely" francophone. "Higher than Average outside Quebec" would be a more fitting term.


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33% making it Canada's only official bilingual province...

I think it's a public secret that everybody in New-Brunswick speaks French and English at the same time, and the only people who understand them are other New-Brunswickers...

Case and point it's the only place where you're gonna meet Jean-Guy Tremblay who doesn't speak a word of French but yet speaks English with a French accent.

eg: "No I don' speak Frensh dere, I only speaka da Henglish. Do I soun Frensh tooo yoooo?"
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Either way, I wouldn't call 33% "largely"

The intermingling of French and English mid-sentence that occurs among some people in New Brunswick is interesting, but there's quite a regional division as far as what is francophone and what is anglophone in the province. Once you start getting down in and around Fredericton it's about as English as anywhere in Southern Ontario, and - according to a very good friend of mine who lives there - there is a certain resentment among some people toward all the bilingualism.

To which, as I said earlier, there are New Brunswickers who will fight tooth and nail against ever being associated with the name Acadian, which is why something as neutral at United Maritimes was chosen.


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said by Gone:

there is a certain resentment among some people toward all the bilingualism.

There's always some resentment towards the Franco side of things when they become the dominant economic force... this stuff was a little more aggressive during the Louis Robichaud and Richard Hatfield eras, with the Confederation of Regions party.

So nothing new really.
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said by Gone:

as I said earlier, there are New Brunswickers who will fight tooth and nail against ever being associated with the name Acadian

Too bad. Limits their choice of SUV's, too!



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said by El Quintron:

this stuff was a little more aggressive during the Louis Robichaud and Richard Hatfield eras, with the Confederation of Regions party.
So nothing new really.

COR may no longer be official opposition, but the resentments still run deep.

People think that New Brunswick, being the only officially bilingual province, is all happy happy joy joy, when really it's not. Despite that, they still seem to make due.