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rocca
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Re: Is it end of docsys 2.0 modem era in Ottawa?

Red isn't permitting any D2 modems on TPIA speeds higher than 6Mbps for new installs, moves or changes. Existing customers that don't change anything will be grandfathered on their current speed. At least from the cable side, obviously no idea what the ISP's policies are/will be, but that's what Red did a little while back.


jasmo34

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I thought Point 3 of the cover letter for TN29 from Rogers says D2 modems for the older 18, 28, and 32 plans would be 'accepted' for TPIA new installs, until April 16, 2013 (as well as 6M of course). This was to allow you to use up your D2 inventories.

Or is this 'proposal' in TN29 contradicted by something already passed earlier?

I was wondering why ACANAC had already cut off their D2 modems for new installations; well, they said no more SB5100's or SB5101's.


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I should have qualified, that policy takes effect next April.


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said by jasmo34:

I was wondering why ACANAC had already cut off their D2 modems for new installations; well, they said no more SB5100's or SB5101's.

That's a different issue, those modems are no longer certified as of a couple months ago.


jasmo34

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said by rocca:

said by jasmo34:

I was wondering why ACANAC had already cut off their D2 modems for new installations; well, they said no more SB5100's or SB5101's.

That's a different issue, those modems are no longer certified as of a couple months ago.

Oh, OK. So, the "N" version, still accepted, is that much newer or different?

Cable internet modems... can't wait to join in the fun... someday!


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said by jasmo34:

Oh, OK. So, the "N" version, still accepted, is that much newer or different?

Correct. As for how different it is from a technical standpoint, that I don't know, but from a registerability standpoint it's night and day. One can be registered, the other can't.


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said by rocca:

said by jasmo34:

I was wondering why ACANAC had already cut off their D2 modems for new installations; well, they said no more SB5100's or SB5101's.

That's a different issue, those modems are no longer certified as of a couple months ago.

I think those modems were dropped from the official list something like 12-16 months ago.

Doing some research, here's were it was noticed (September 2011):
»SB6121 offically supported on Rogers

And a thread from about the same time where you can see a listing of all Docsis 2 modems on the list at that time:
»Cable modem list quite abit smaller now

After that change, when it came to SB5100, SB5101, and DPC2100, there seemed to still be a lot of wiggle room. That ambiguity seems to have been removed this fall (maybe August?).

Extrapolating a bit, I think Rogers used to give a very long list of modems based on anything Docsis 2 they'd ever used themselves, plus Docsis 3 modems that were specially requested by a TPIA. At some point I think a TPIA asked that the SMCD3GN be added, and shortly after that Rogers dropped all those Docsis 2 modems that had been automatically included. The list was then only modems that were specifically requested by a TPIA. In fact, that big change in September last year might have been a reaction to having to allow the SMCD3GN

Of course that's just a general sketch.. For example, the SMC 8014 gateways were off then on then off again, and maybe even back on one more time before the big cull of models in September 2011.

To be 100% clear about how things are going forward, I take it that for new accounts, Docsis 2 modems are actually technically allowed for any speed service (6, 18, 28, and even 32) until April 2013. At that time, Docsis 2 modems will only be allowed on new 6mbit accounts. Meanwhile, existing accounts will be grandfathered for the foreseeable future. Is all that correct? It is kind of important that I get it right!
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rocca
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said by Teddy Boom:

To be 100% clear about how things are going forward, I take it that for new accounts, Docsis 2 modems are actually technically allowed for any speed service (6, 18, 28, and even 32) until April 2013. At that time, Docsis 2 modems will only be allowed on new 6mbit accounts. Meanwhile, existing accounts will be grandfathered for the foreseeable future. Is all that correct? It is kind of important that I get it right!

Yes, that is my understanding.


jasmo34

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Good summary, and clarifications. (of course, 'proposed tariffs' can yet change).

The only reason I'm even involved, other than just watching the silly incumbent tariff games, is my relatives's brand new unused SB5101N sitting on his shelf, that was originally destined for use with Acanac Cable 12/18 here in London. Too late for that now!

Acanac's modem list only shows the SB5101N for use on their 8M plan with Cogeco. I don't think they have any other D2 modems on their list now.

MAYBE they might still let him on 18 (at least until April 16), since it was bought on their recommendation. Or I might just have to convince him to try 'another provider'; one further down in the alphabet!

Hey TB... Are you and mlord going to rent a VW mini-bus, and go on tour fixing cable modem firmware?


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Thanks rocca!

Pretty strange though. It is just bizarre that they've allowed Docsis 2 on 28mbit and 32 mbit accounts. And it is a little depressing that there won't be any middle ground tier between 6/256 and 25/2 to make good use of Docsis 2 modems. I mean, if consumer demand (at least among my frugal customers) drove the available speeds we'd have choices more like this:
6/512
12/1
25/2
50/4

Oh well..
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said by jasmo34:

Hey TB... Are you and mlord going to rent a VW mini-bus, and go on tour fixing cable modem firmware?

Bicycle only, sorry

However, my rig for flashing is now a lot more portable. I used to use this to power the flash chip:


And now just this:
»dx.com/p/dc-4-40v-to-dc-1-5-35v-···r-126108
(with the power brick from the modem as input source)

I still need a laptop, so it is still way bigger than mlord's, but at least it is a little portable now
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