1 edit | [Newsgroups] Good DMCA Free Usenet Provider? Hi, I'm looking into Usenet again, I used it around two years ago before switching to a VPN. The main reason I stopped using Usenet is because A LOT of things had been taken down due to DMCA. I and compelled to come back to Usenet because of the speeds. So are there any good Usenet providers out of the DMCA's reach (dutch?)? Im having trouble finding good options because of PayPal cutting off payment services to a lot of providers.
Thanks in advance!
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 swintecPremium,VIP
join:2003-12-19
Alfred, ME
kudos:4 | No one is above DMCA removals. |
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Testing ;
News servers that have been tested impacted by DCMA requests, large amount of the reviews say so and so forth news server hasn't been affected in the past 2 years. Most of this is bs. here is what tested and looking for others to verify / support or deny.
Takedowns;
Giganews = impacted.
Easynews = impacted.
us/eunews.usenetnow(off blocknews) = impacted.
us/eu...astraweb = impacted.
If someone can post 100% sure nntp servers that aren't impacted outside US, someone test and another verify that would be good. |
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I think the other problem is that if there are any that aren't having takedowns, no one wants to post it.
Posting it in on a public forum easily searchable on google is just moronic.
Surely someones going to realize there's money now in setting up a Usenet service outside of the US and the EU? |
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I meant dutch providers in the Netherlands, etc. |
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I agree with swintec. I have said this in a forum I go into daily. They seem to think the EU servers are free of dmca removals. I siad it is only a matter of time. They are hitting the big guys first and they WILL get to the little guys. They seemed to think I was wrong. Its not like the dmca has to go out of their way to affect the servers. They already have the software that allows them to take stuff down. Just a matter of getting it to the server. You may get another month...2 months...6 months...use but dmca will eventually affect all usenet. |
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Retention advertised by these Usenet providers may go by the wayside as a benefit of getting a premium provider soon with these DMCA take downs happening en masse. The days of a file being on server for a few years may be coming to an end at least for the ones that matter. Gotta get your files quickly nowadays. |
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| sandman1, could you please PM me the NL provider you are currently on? Thanks a lot. |
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said by usenet user :I agree with swintec. I have said this in a forum I go into daily. They seem to think the EU servers are free of dmca removals. I siad it is only a matter of time. They are hitting the big guys first and they WILL get to the little guys. They seemed to think I was wrong. Its not like the dmca has to go out of their way to affect the servers. They already have the software that allows them to take stuff down. Just a matter of getting it to the server. You may get another month...2 months...6 months...use but dmca will eventually affect all usenet.
I would think it would make sense for Usenet providers to move their servers outside the jurisdictions of North America or the EU? (Maybe into some Eastern Euro countries that aren't a part of the EU?). That's suppose to be the thing about the internet. If somethings illegal, movie it to a country where it isn't illegal?
So I think people are hoping there are some usenet providers outside of the US and EU that aren't affected. I'm not aware of any, but I wouldn't be surprised if a few popped up in the not too distant future. |
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| Zod5000: Is there a country where torrents are still legal? I realize torrents themself are not illegal but I meant torrent sites that contain/link copyrighted material. There are none that I know of. As long as the site stays small they seem to be left alone for now. But as soon as they become popular, they don't take long to get shut down. If those torrent site get shut down everywhere why would you think usenet is immune? I know of one larger torrent site still running but I also know that dmca members are very active in that site. I mentioned that to an admin of that site and I ended up banned from the site for a while. I assume they didn't want me spreading the word. |
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said by zod5000:I would think it would make sense for Usenet providers to move their servers outside the jurisdictions of North America or the EU? (Maybe into some Eastern Euro countries that aren't a part of the EU?). That's suppose to be the thing about the internet. If somethings illegal, movie it to a country where it isn't illegal?
That could work. However, customers want several things. Crazy high retention. The ability to max out their 1 gigabit connection using 2 connections in their newsreaders all for the price of 2 cups of coffee a month, which must be able to be paid for using a convenient payment method (CC or paypal). Your idea did not take any of this into consideration.
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| said by swintec:said by zod5000:I would think it would make sense for Usenet providers to move their servers outside the jurisdictions of North America or the EU? (Maybe into some Eastern Euro countries that aren't a part of the EU?). That's suppose to be the thing about the internet. If somethings illegal, movie it to a country where it isn't illegal?
That could work. However, customers want several things. Crazy high retention. The ability to max out their 1 gigabit connection using 2 connections in their newsreaders all for the price of 2 cups of coffee a month, which must be able to be paid for using a convenient payment method (CC or paypal). Your idea did not take any of this into consideration. It did. If your choice is a server being dmca'd left right an centre and can barely hold a file for 24 hours but can operate at 50mbps and has an easy way to pay. Alternatively you can get a slower server, that has a year retention, no dmca, maybe pulls out 30mbps, and has a difficult payment process.. what would you choose? 
DMCA'd servers are going to get close to useless if the trend keeps up. I think people would trade off for sketchy over fast. |
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| zod5000 I hope your right. But honestly, I don't see it happening. I keep referring back to torrents because we have already been there. When torrent sites started going down everyone was saying the same thing as your are now. We need a good site in a country where they don't care about the mpaa and the riaa. We need a site in Norway or Denmark or Sweden, etc. Well as we all know those big sites went down to (they don't care about the little sites yet, they want the big ones first). I feel the same would happen to these 'sketchy' sites to. It would be nice to know I am wrong but I guess only time will tell. |
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Jesus what a bunch of chicken littlles in here. These companies that run the crawlers have a limited amount of resources they can't dmca everything off of usenet. example the batman movies a couple months ago stuff would get taken down in a matter of minutes now i have no problem finding it. You don't think the posters can adapt by using coded filenames thats what was so great about mysterbin it would look in archive not just the filename and subject. |
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swintec with all these people in here acting like this is the end of usenet can you tell us are you seeing a exodus of users from your service? |
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 ArchivisYour DaddyPremium
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Earth
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said by swintec:That could work. However, customers want several things. Crazy high retention. The ability to max out their 1 gigabit connection using 2 connections in their newsreaders all for the price of 2 cups of coffee a month, which must be able to be paid for using a convenient payment method (CC or paypal). Your idea did not take any of this into consideration.
I don't need anything more than 30-90 days retention.
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The reason all of these Euro servers are in the NL is because they have the infrastructure/bandwidth setup there. The NL-IX and AMS-IX are where these Usenet providers hook into and get their bandwidth. NL-IX even offers a service just for Usenet companies called NextFeed, »www.nl-ix.net/solutions/usenet-peering/, that allows all of these servers to share info locally at high speeds and low latency. So that is why most are out of the NL in the first place.
With that said, there are some that do not hook into the NL Internet Exchanges and that are located in different countries but I won't mention them here. People can do their own research just like I did and find what I am talking about.
Lastly, the Eastern Euro countries are installing fiber at a breakneck pace. Maybe in the future we could see a migration from the NL, who knows. |
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said by bluedyedvd:swintec with all these people in here acting like this is the end of usenet can you tell us are you seeing a exodus of users from your service?
No mass exodus.
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| said by swintec:said by bluedyedvd:swintec with all these people in here acting like this is the end of usenet can you tell us are you seeing a exodus of users from your service?
No mass exodus. What else would you say.
No business is going to say people are leaving them en masse.  But I think Astraweb have the most subscribers jumping ship. I see posts everywhere about it. Some people can't leave them but want to because of signing on for a year or so. That and usually these things don't start showing up until a few quarters down the road. |
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| cyber lockers never have any takedowns torrents always have the file at full speed. everything has issues when i see nsp stop rising retention or going out business then i will worry |
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