 DustynPremium
join:2003-02-26
Ontario, CAN
kudos:10 | reply to Mele20
Re: [WIN8] Why such poor task manager? Wow.
If anything I thought the new Task Manager would have been something that you might of liked above all the other new "features" in Windows 8.
Plus, it seems to be one of the least criticized parts of Windows 8. It doesn't look to be that bad to me?
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Anon00Premium
join:2001-09-25
USA
kudos:1 | said by Dustyn:Wow.
If anything I thought the new Task Manager would have been something that you might of liked above all the other new "features" in Windows 8.
Plus, it seems to be one of the least criticized parts of Windows 8. It doesn't look to be that bad to me?
Lol that was my thought too. Windows 8's task manager is light years ahead of any previous iteration, for simple users and power users. I especially like how they included more items in the Performance task and increased the details for the Users tab. Oh I guess Mele doesn't look the divisions in Processes tab (yeah... that's not useful right?)... why not hit up the Details tab then...
Though, admittedly, I keep Process Explorer (and the rest of Sysinternals' tools) if I need to go all hardcore.
And task manager is hard to access, freak out much? Let me count the familiar ways:
Start->"T-A-S-K"-> oh lookie, so hidden
CTRL+ALT+ESC->Ah ha!
Desktop->Right Click Taskbar->Task Manager-> oh hai, my familiar friend
Winkey+R->taskmgr.exe->Bringing it back ol' school
Winkey+X->TaskManager->WHAT!, no that's new... crap.
CTRL+ALT+DEL->Task Manager, oh my beloved CTRL+ALT+DEL screen, I can't quit you.
Gah, opening up task manager is such a pain 
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DelmarPip
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South Padre Island, TX | reply to vaxvms
ubunto is a huge pile of crap try a real linux os like fedora or suse |
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 JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| said by DelmarPip:ubunto is a huge pile of crap try a real linux os like fedora or suse
Linux is a huge pile of crap try a real Unix like BSD 
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 jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | UNIX is a huge pile of crap, try a ... wait...
Shit. |
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 MichailPremium
join:2000-08-02
Boynton Beach, FL
kudos:1 | reply to Mele20
This is starting to sound like the late 90's open source OS rants.
Microsoft is still here in the 21st century. |
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To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks. |
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| said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Desktop linux has come a long way in user friendliness, but it's still a little rough around the edges at times, and not quite ready for prime time IMO... |
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| said by Kerodo:said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Desktop linux has come a long way in user friendliness, but it's still a little rough around the edges at times, and not quite ready for prime time IMO... I've been using Linux since 1995. I still run Linux along with Windows. I've played around with latest KDE, Gnome and Unity and I still much prefer Windows due to its stability, consistency, performance, and of course ease of use. |
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Well, ok. I've run Linux as my primary OS off and on for the past 7 years on everything from servers to desktops to laptops (even on the netbook, but meego never really did finish.)
It's not better or worse than MacOS or Windows. Just different.
Right now for example I'm in firefox on the linux box... not much different than firefox on Win8
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 BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by Goober:She's sure acting like her OS struggles are life or death.
To her and many other users, it probably feels very much that way. One of the fallout areas when a company like MS changes the user-interface on a flagship product is that experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively into panel expressions that are familiar (and which they deem necessary). Windows 8 has many such learning-curve adventures. It remains to be seen how readily many folks will adapt, or whether corporations will bite off the very real costs of re-educating their employee users. Conversely, it may be that the product will have its greatest appeal for those who have the least experience using earlier Windows versions. Only time will tell...
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:8 | Perhaps, but upgrades are self-inflicted. |
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BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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| said by dave:Perhaps, but upgrades are self-inflicted.
In the case of Win 8 versus Win 7 or Vista, I might agree. But users who are still embedded in Win XP will soon enough discover upgrading (or replacing) will be the only route left to them for computing survival, especially for an Internet-connected system. What happens is that things like one's security software, key utility programs, and apps software (including even browsers, Flash, etc) start being released only for newer OSs. At that point, users of old OSs can't keep current with security or apps compatibility.
I've ridden that pony down the road with DOS and Win98FE, and I'm seeing the writing on the wall for WinXP systems. In each case, the learning curve was such that I (and others) almost wished we knew nothing of the old OSs because the newer ways of doing productive work were so different to use and so counterintuitive. What mattered most at such times was the legacy ability or considerations placed into the newer products (plus the ease/intuitiveness of setting them or getting at them)... and I feel that Win 8, for whatever reasons, has fallen notably short in that category.
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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Uh, I've been using windows since Windows 1.0. I think I would be considered an experienced user. Prior to that, I programmed in machine language and assembly and used CP/M. So I've lived through a few changes.
Personally I feel it's more about attitude and flexibility. The sour-pusses who aren't happy unless they're miserable won't like it. Others with a more positive outlook will be like me. Look at it, like it and jump in without pre-hating it and looking for problems at every turn.
Open minded versus closed minded, that's the difference.
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 vaxvmsferroequine fanPremium
join:2005-03-01
Wormtown
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said by Blackbird:experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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JohnInSJPremium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA Reviews:
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| said by vaxvms:said by Blackbird:experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Sure you can. You just need a lot of snausages. Bacon flavor works best.
Seriously, I am stunned by the outcry over removing the Start menu. My goodness, it's a nested menu, it's not like the whole UI is now in Urdu.
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 FreddyPremium
join:2005-05-17
Arlington, VA | reply to Goober
Goober & All,
I agree with your observations. I love Windows 8, and I'm having a ball learning how to use it. Many people don't want to take the time to learn. They're stuck in their old habits.
There is a learning curve with Win8, but it's not that hard. I use Google and this forum to help me in the learning process. If you can't find an answer to your issues on Google, then just ask here. Fun!
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BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
join:2005-01-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by Goober:Uh, I've been using windows since Windows 1.0. I think I would be considered an experienced user. Prior to that, I programmed in machine language and assembly and used CP/M. So I've lived through a few changes.
Personally I feel it's more about attitude and flexibility. The sour-pusses who aren't happy unless they're miserable won't like it. Others with a more positive outlook will be like me. ...
Open minded versus closed minded, that's the difference.
With your particular experience, especially with machine languages and CP/M, perhaps you're more "into" playing around with an OS and learning a new user interface. But a lot of users may simply want to get their work done with a minimum of fuss and bother, and a significantly different new user interface can really get in the way of that. Hence the frustration and "life-or-death" reactions. What you describe as open versus closed minded, others might argue is a techno-nerd versus practical usage of a computer to do work the user is accustomed to doing.
I started using, designing, and programming specialized digital systems back in 1973 in the 8008/8080 days, and I've lived immersed in PCs through most of the PC era - and I had a techno-nerd perspective. I loved to play with this kind of stuff. For me, however, another day arrived some time ago when the PC also became a tool to get other things (applications) done, both personal and business. At that point, I began to recognize the down-side user costs of major interface changes in software. When it comes to doing those 'other things', any kind of major interface changes will stand in the way of getting a job done (whatever it is). Sure, I can take the time and effort and I certainly have the capacity, to learn new ways to do the same things I already know how to do almost instinctively. But a cost-benefit question immediately arises in my mind... what is the benefit of learning and adapting to UI changes made for their own sake, particularly if they're largely driven by a software maker's "vision" of his future business direction? The cost is immediate and real: ordinary work just can't be done as quickly, whether it be personal or business, until the re-learning costs are paid. Certainly, with time and experience, that will ease - but by then the costs will be tangible and will have been booked. I've moved from the techo-nerd to the practical side. And I can empathize with users who also come at it from that direction.
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 trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
join:2000-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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| I like the Start Menu, plain and simple. I've been using it for years and I got it back with Start8. So with this little $5.00 app Windows 8 is so much more usable to me.
There are definite other things that I like about Windows 8 but those are under the hood things, things that you wouldn't ordinarily notice; things that live their lives in kernel-land. I have to hand it to Microsoft for one thing, they have definitely streamlined this OS, trimmed the fat, got rid of the bloat, made it run faster, etc.
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vaxvmsferroequine fanPremium
join:2005-03-01
Wormtown Reviews:
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said by Blackbird:But a lot of users may simply want to get their work done with a minimum of fuss and bother
a lot of users are dumb repetitive mindless droids.
Make a little time to learn what's new and how it will make getting the work done quicker and easier. Taking time to fuss and bother to find out how to work around changes is counterproductive.
Brings back memories of the old days...
Why do I need this new computer thing? I've got a typewriter. I've been using it for yearS. I know how to use it. I don't have to learn learn this new computer crap. Commands and control keys and menus and files and folders and floppies and shoeing the damn thing and all that other crap! Why is there a backspace and delete key? Both of them erase a letter . Why are them two of them? That's stupid.
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