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tuladrin

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Re: [Raiding] World of Logs

Hey cig, what do you want for an emergency 10th wheel. The kitty and lock are 90 (440-450) range, the DK tank is 12% away from 89 and got a 90 ret and another 90 worgen hunter that are gathers. Still have to lvl the sp, the fire mage and the elemental shammy, but with x-mas break coming up, I can do whichever one you want


Feralmordius

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said by clawfury:

The one thing I don't know how to do with WoL is to merge separate logs of the same fight into one coherent log...can this be done?

I found this trying to look up how world of logs works with bosses that have different Phases.

»forums.worldoflogs.com/viewtopic···2&t=3541

Re: Details of how data is gathered?

Postby cremor » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:24 am
WoL parses everything that WoW writes to the combat log. But sadly WoW doesn't write any data about players in other phases, e.g. the spirit realm. So to answer your question: Yes, for the Spiritbinder fight only your own data will be complete. Or maybe even your own data is not complete, I don't know how WoW handles things like DoTs that are still ticking on the boss when you switch phases.

Re: Details of how data is gathered?

Postby cremor » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:06 am
No, there is no way to combine multiple logs.
Other sites tried that before but never got it completely working.
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Prob the lock. OP now and no more HGWT, summoning is nice. and cookies too


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So just as I thought some fights you can't trust WoL on.

I'm fairly sure that on sha of fear the people that fly to the other add won't get recorded ether.

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BTW on Spirit pus. When you dot up adds in spirit phase, do they stay on? Or do they drop when u leave???


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I would have to get the next group coming in to look for my dots to know, but I would think they stay but your combat log won't record them anymore.

thus recount/WOL/scada can't record them if the recorder isn't in.

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I was just asking anyone in general if they know the answer to this


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Problem is it'll be hard to tell, I guess to see you'd have to put a glyphed combustion on one and mark it with a raid marker just as you leave, and leave just as another group comes in.

then the next group could look for the dot.


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there is no reason to believe the dots just disappear from the mobs when you leave the phase. I've died to DoTs in BGs after watching the perp leave the BG


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Well I would assume the dot still ticks, but I don't like assuming.


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Dots still tick. I've watched adds die from dots while I was killing the Severer.

The log will not record those dot ticks though. Never been entirely sure why the log gets all phased, but I'm sure that was a technical decision made ages ago.


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Maybe someone will make an addon that forms a single log from multiple players.

like WoL but anytime you are in a diff phase than the "master" addon your addon starts and when you return your addon could send data to the "master"

however there are times when no one is in the spirit world so those ticks would not be recorded even then.


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The log files are just *.txt files. If you know the fight, I'm sure you could write up a script that reads the "master" script that pulls out the timestamps that were in a different phase. Then you'd have a master "unphased" log. You run a couple parses on other samples to fill in the "unphased" gaps. But that would only give numbers for the raid outside of the phase. Each person would have to log the fight to capture how they did while in the phased portion of the fight.

this could get busy.
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Yeah they kinda touched on that also. Basically there was no way to easily combine the logs because of to many variables. Best would have the one logging not go down or out of phase if that possible.

Re: Details of how data is gathered?
Postby ArcaneMagus » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:33 pm
To put it in slightly more detail: Since everybody's computer clock is not exactly in sync, and there is no GUID that is server wide (only specific client wide) for an event, the best you can do is guess as to which events go where in a merged combat log. The WoL creators have decided that the risks of messing it up are not worth the slight gain.
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Exactly. You'd have to fix the logfile first... and it would only be a slight gain. I'll admit that not being a dps at heart, I don't care that the log misses out on a minute of your 7minute fight... I just don't. The point of most of the phased portions that I can think of right now is to make them as short as possible.


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reply to Immer
said by Immer:

One step missing, though, is that while in-game you have to tell WoW to dump combat data to a log file with the command "/combatlog". Once your raid is finished, you just type the same command again to stop the log.

Then you open the client, upload the file to WoL, and the client will usually ask you if you'd like to split the file up and archive and delete the uploaded the file... I recommend letting it do all that. The client doesn't like log files that span multiple days, so editing the file can be a pain. Better just to log the current raid, and upload immediately after the raid.

This is archaic advice, Immer...of all people, I figured you'd be up to speed with this. I'll make this jumble of confusion much more simple for everyone reading in 3 simple steps.

Step 1. Download the add-on "Loggerhead" from the curse client.

Step 2. Log into your WoL account, click the client link, and select "Live Log"...it's the button on the right.

Step 3. Zone in to whatever raid instance, and do your thing. Forget about typing "/combatlog"...Loggerhead will automatically start parsing data to your log folder, and automatically stop when you zone out. Live logging will auto-upload your info to WoL in real time for instant results/analysis. No typing slash commands or fumbling around with 87 billion .txt files in your log folder. I can stream radio while I raid, shouldn't I be able to stream my logs, too?

Step 4. (optional) Slay bodies, loot purples, and brag about top 200 rankings.
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reply to Immer
said by Immer:

The log files are just *.txt files. If you know the fight, I'm sure you could write up a script that reads the "master" script that pulls out the timestamps that were in a different phase. Then you'd have a master "unphased" log. You run a couple parses on other samples to fill in the "unphased" gaps. But that would only give numbers for the raid outside of the phase. Each person would have to log the fight to capture how they did while in the phased portion of the fight.

this could get busy.

I think the easiest way would be restrict the WoL data to own data, and dots when phased

then merge a set with one from each player.
Though might have to just toss the dots that ticked while you were out out the window.


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You forgot step 3.5

Step 3.5. ????
Step 3.6. Profit.


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Is live logging free? Thought that was part of their paid services.


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I Live Logged Wednesday and Thursday of this week and haven't paid WoL a dime.


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said by McBrain:

This is archaic advice, Immer...of all people, I figured you'd be up to speed with this.

I'd rather people understood what they were doing. Of all people, I figured you'd be more into teaching someone what is going on rather than recommending a Mage to install some "TellMeWhen" or "spellflash" Addon.

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He would, it is just Friday, He gets less argumentative the later in the week it is.


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I'm looking forward to the 14th

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Work done for the rest of the year are ye?


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Taking a 4week vacation starting on the 14th

Gots me vacation time to burn, and burn it I will.

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Baddie


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Hay I'll be saving 100miles worth of gas per day of vacation


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reply to Immer
Normally I do, but I'm sure that you've sat at your computer before sifting through 100,000 lines of a .txt file for crazy amounts of time trying to separate Tuesday from Wednesday or Majordomo from Al'Akir because you forgot to separate, extract, and delete your last log(s) when you logged off for the night.

I'm more than willing to help people understand, which is why I pointed out where the logs' default save location is on their drive. But, honestly some things that are or can be overly complicated tend to become more confusing with the more you *think* you know about them.

Granted, I'm one that wants to know the why behind the how, but now that I know about addon I described and the live logging option in the client, I don't care to know anything else about the coding of the WoL client, how it works, or any of the logistics of how my data gets from game to website. I log into the game, click live log on the client, and raid. That's it. When a fight is over, the data is there within seconds...and I don't have to log out to upload it.

Kind of like when I get in my car push the clutch and turn the key, it starts. I don't really care to know about air/fuel ratios, spark plug gaps, or internal combustion, as long as my shit works. Now, when it doesn't and I call Otto to come tow it to his garage for repair, I want him to explain the issue to me. More for reassurance that he knows what he's doing than for a thirst for knowledge.

WoL is mostly a pain in the ass, and rightfully so, it's an intricate and insanely complex program that I know is too much so for me to be a subject matter expert in without first suffering a ton of headaches. Why do you think people always forget to turn on or off their logs? Because its mainly a hassle to those who are selected or chose to log for the betterment of the group. I promise most people would be more than happy to cut out the extra steps and let the thing work by itself, without having to deal with */combatlog* or 50000 lines of text they're expected to upload after the raid when others are doing whatever they want.

This is just one of those things that "just works" and that enough explanation for me at this point, and is better left that way. I feel I know just enough about it to really frustrate myself.
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clawfury

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Does your vacation involve lots and lots of dailies? :P


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said by clawfury:

Does your vacation involve lots and lots of dailies? :P

I think it might
also maybe some alt leveling
and some movies.