 vaxvmsferroequine fanPremium
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Re: [WIN8] Why such poor task manager? Stop torturing yourself with the God awful Microsoft Operating Systems and switch to Ubuntu, a real OS. Lots of good tools available.
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 GooberPremium
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OZOPremium
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said by vaxvms:Stop torturing yourself with the God awful Microsoft Operating Systems and switch to Ubuntu, a real OS. Lots of good tools available.
I think it's actually could be a good idea, to use OS, that was developed without a profit idea in mind Putting all eggs in proprietary, made for profit OS, certainly is bad idea though. And we see why it is now. Tomorrow company may decide to move on to another market and abandon the product (and your trust in the process). Could you blame them for that? I guess not...
There are many examples on how m$ discarded good products, people relied on. For example, I still use MS Money since 1995. It's because I entered a lot of important financial data into its database. I can't simply abandon it now, but m$ did it without any hesitation, because they made it for profit...
Windows OS for desktop environment could be yet another such example of this strategy.
said by Shootist:Simple fact is MS has Dumbed down many parts of Windows 8. Why I have no hard evidence but it is my opinion they did it to lock out the Enthusiast PC user. If they did not do it (abandon product) now, with Windows 8, they may do it later on with Windows 9 or 10. Actually you always can expect the market condition change and, as a result, they will drop that product too at any time... Do you want to repeat the mistake that I made with MS Money years ago? I guess, not.
Think about moving on and use OS, designed and made with non-profit ideas in mind. You'll not lose your computer environment if market is suddenly changed and moved into other direction and some for-profit company decided to move on and cease any development/support it promised...
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Re: [WIN8] Why such poor task manager? Makes a lot of sense, since the majority of businesses use MS. Seriously? Have you ever worked in a business environment for a real company? If the day comes when MS abandons ship, I'll switch to the next big corporation supported OS. Not some dinky horse manure enthusiast POS.
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vaxvmsferroequine fanPremium
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said by Goober:And no real applications used in the business world. Awesome.
The OP is not in a business world environment. |
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GooberPremium
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kudos:5 | She's sure acting like her OS struggles are life or death. |
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DelmarPip
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South Padre Island, TX | reply to vaxvms
ubunto is a huge pile of crap try a real linux os like fedora or suse |
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| said by DelmarPip:ubunto is a huge pile of crap try a real linux os like fedora or suse
Linux is a huge pile of crap try a real Unix like BSD 
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Lake Zurich, IL | UNIX is a huge pile of crap, try a ... wait...
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To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks. |
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| said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Desktop linux has come a long way in user friendliness, but it's still a little rough around the edges at times, and not quite ready for prime time IMO... |
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| said by Kerodo:said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Desktop linux has come a long way in user friendliness, but it's still a little rough around the edges at times, and not quite ready for prime time IMO... I've been using Linux since 1995. I still run Linux along with Windows. I've played around with latest KDE, Gnome and Unity and I still much prefer Windows due to its stability, consistency, performance, and of course ease of use. |
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said by RazzyW8 :To me, Linux is just an OS that runs on certain appliances like routers, DVR boxes, servers... Certain devices that doesn't require a GUI.
Linux as a desktop? No thanks.
Well, ok. I've run Linux as my primary OS off and on for the past 7 years on everything from servers to desktops to laptops (even on the netbook, but meego never really did finish.)
It's not better or worse than MacOS or Windows. Just different.
Right now for example I'm in firefox on the linux box... not much different than firefox on Win8
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said by Goober:She's sure acting like her OS struggles are life or death.
To her and many other users, it probably feels very much that way. One of the fallout areas when a company like MS changes the user-interface on a flagship product is that experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively into panel expressions that are familiar (and which they deem necessary). Windows 8 has many such learning-curve adventures. It remains to be seen how readily many folks will adapt, or whether corporations will bite off the very real costs of re-educating their employee users. Conversely, it may be that the product will have its greatest appeal for those who have the least experience using earlier Windows versions. Only time will tell...
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davePremium,MVM
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BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
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| said by dave:Perhaps, but upgrades are self-inflicted.
In the case of Win 8 versus Win 7 or Vista, I might agree. But users who are still embedded in Win XP will soon enough discover upgrading (or replacing) will be the only route left to them for computing survival, especially for an Internet-connected system. What happens is that things like one's security software, key utility programs, and apps software (including even browsers, Flash, etc) start being released only for newer OSs. At that point, users of old OSs can't keep current with security or apps compatibility.
I've ridden that pony down the road with DOS and Win98FE, and I'm seeing the writing on the wall for WinXP systems. In each case, the learning curve was such that I (and others) almost wished we knew nothing of the old OSs because the newer ways of doing productive work were so different to use and so counterintuitive. What mattered most at such times was the legacy ability or considerations placed into the newer products (plus the ease/intuitiveness of setting them or getting at them)... and I feel that Win 8, for whatever reasons, has fallen notably short in that category.
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GooberPremium
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Uh, I've been using windows since Windows 1.0. I think I would be considered an experienced user. Prior to that, I programmed in machine language and assembly and used CP/M. So I've lived through a few changes.
Personally I feel it's more about attitude and flexibility. The sour-pusses who aren't happy unless they're miserable won't like it. Others with a more positive outlook will be like me. Look at it, like it and jump in without pre-hating it and looking for problems at every turn.
Open minded versus closed minded, that's the difference.
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said by Blackbird:experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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| said by vaxvms:said by Blackbird:experienced users can't find key things the way they're used to, or if they do find them, they can't find their way quickly and intuitively You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Sure you can. You just need a lot of snausages. Bacon flavor works best.
Seriously, I am stunned by the outcry over removing the Start menu. My goodness, it's a nested menu, it's not like the whole UI is now in Urdu.
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