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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR> Intel to Provide Socketed CPUs for "The Foreseeable Future" <br><br>Provided Intel's idea of the "foreseeable future" doesn't end at 2014, PC enthusiasts can breathe a sigh of relief as it came out with a statement saying it is committed to socketed CPU platforms. "Intel remains committed to the growing desktop enthusiast and channel markets, and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the Enthusiast DIY market," said Intel spokesperson Daniel Snyder, adding "However, Intel cannot comment on specific long-term product roadmap plans at this time, but will disclose more details later per our normal communication process."<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.techpowerup.com/176721/Intel-to-Provide-Socketed-CPUs-for-quot-The-Foreseeable-Future-quot-.html" >www.techpowerup.com/176721/Intel&middot;&middot;&middot;ot-.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Koil posted : AMD commits to socketed CPU future<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2012/12/05/amd-sockets/1" >www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2&middot;&middot;&middot;ockets/1</A><br><br><div class="bquote"><p>While Intel is remaining silent on rumours that its future processor families will be provided in a soldered-down ball-grid array (BGA) package only, AMD has stepped forward to publicly state that it plans to support swappable CPUs for the foreseeable future.<br><br>The rumours, attributed to industry sources speaking to a Japanese technology news site, claim that Intel is to cease production of its land-grid array (LGA) processor packages in favour of using BGA packaging throughout its product ranges. Unlike LGA, which connects to the motherboard through a zero insertion force (ZIF) socket that allows the processor to be easily removed and replaced, BGA chips are permanently soldered to the board and cannot be removed without melting the solder.<br><br>It's a technique Intel and others already use in the embedded market and for laptop processors, where the extra footprint of a ZIF socket would be unacceptable. It's also something which has been used historically in desktop systems, where early processors were sometimes soldered directly to the board when manufacturers didn't want to pay for adding sockets. In recent years, however, the practice has fallen out of fashion in favour of giving users the ability to easily swap out a processor.<br><br>For motherboard makers, it allows for a wider range of product offerings than would be possible were processors tied to a motherboard. It also allows enthusiasts to easily upgrade to a faster processor without having to change motherboards, or to replace a chip which has failed due to overclocking or a cooling experiment gone wrong.<br><br>Intel, for its part, has refused to comment on the rumours that the days of user-replaceable processors are coming to a close - leaving rival AMD an opportunity to score some points. 'AMD has a long history of supporting the DIY and enthusiast desktop market with socketed CPUs and APUs that are compatible with a wide range of motherboard products from our partners,' AMD's Chris Hook has claimed in a statement to press. 'That will continue through 2013 and 2014 with the 'Kaveri' APU and FX CPU lines. We have no plans at this time to move to BGA only packaging and look forward to continuing to support this critical segment of the market.<br><br>'As the company that introduced new types of BGA packages in ultrathin platforms several years ago, and today offers BGA-packaged processors for everything from ultrathin notebooks to all-in-one desktops, to embedded applications and tablets, we certainly understand Intel's enthusiasm for the approach. But for the desktop market, and the enthusiasts with whom AMD has built its brand, we understand what matters to them and how we can continue to bring better value and a better experience.'<br><br>At present, AMD's statement is little more than points-scoring: Intel has not formally stated that it has any such plans to remove LGA products from its roadmap. With that said, the company has also failed to release a statement assuring customers that it will not switch to a BGA-only production schedule - leaving the door open for statements like the above from its rivals assuring enthusiasts that while Intel may or may not care about them, they can rest assured that their needs will be catered for in the future.</p></div><br><small>--<br>I am only one, but I am one.  I cannot do everything, but I can do something.  And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.- Edward Everett Hale<br><br><br><A HREF="http://raisingconnor.blogspot.com/"> My Blog - Raising Connor</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : For what it's worth I have found a way around this.<br><br>Basically you just want to break the weld between the surfaces before lifting the HSF off the processor. I find a slight twisting motion can break the weld if present. <br><br>I have heard of AMD processors being pulled right out of the socket by removing the HSF way before it happened to me.  So IMO its one of those things that doesn't happen until it does,....unless you know how to avoid it,...which I now do.<br><br>With ZIFF the pins are tenuously  held once the leaver is closed.  With LGA there is a metal bracket that clamps down on the package heat spreader and is locked into place.<br><br>The only way I see an LGA bracket failing like this is if the socket / assembly wasn't attached to the motherboard properly, the locking mechanism failed or was never  engaged properly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : Yes - they use a ZIF - been running AMD since the late 90's and replaced several CPUs.  Never had then do anything but list right out.  Even for CPUs in systems for 3 years straight.<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Subaru posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/358548" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=358548');">Octavean</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</said><p>I have yet to figure out how anyone can bend a pin - at least with the AMDs - they are decently robust.  Can only put the CPU in one way and when lined up it just drops in.<br><br>I will admit - most of the time I replace both since I go 3-5 year in between builds but I would like to be able to have the option...<br> </p></div>I think the Intel LGA is a bit more fragile then the AMD offering. I wouldn't want to install and remove the CPU repeatedly on an Intel system.<br><br>Does AMD still use ZIF or something similar?  One thing I didn't like about AMD sockets is that in some cases the TIM may create a kind of weld that can pull the CPU right out of the socket when removing the HSF. This can't happen with the Intel retention clamp design.<br> </p></div>something like this happened to me today but on a intel P4 system, went to remove the HSF and the cpu came right out of the socket without lifting the arm on the socket.<br><small>--<br>It's <b>NOT</b> Ni-kon It's NE-KON!<br><br><br><br><br>LG is NOT Lifes Good It's Lucky Goldstar!<br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[markf posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/686640" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=686640');">EUS</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1609984" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1609984');">Ghastlyone</a>:</said><p>Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br><br>If I'm upgrading to a newer CPU, more then likely I'm buying a newer, better motherboard also.<br><br>I can see enthusiasts that "side grade" their CPU's often, getting angry over this. But I raelly don't see the huge issue.<br> </p></div>Yes, and sometimes more than once per board.<br> </p></div>I just upgraded an old 775 E5200 to an E8500. Runs much better and for the $40 makes a good "mid life" upgrade for cheap.<br><br>To move to a Core i3 based solution I'd need a CPU, MB, RAM, looking at $300. I've done the eBay mid life upgrade to my last 2 computers.<br><br>If Intel goes through with this, my longstanding Intel only loyalty will change and I will look at AMD. I don't buy high powered PC's (for my HTPC) so AMD would meet my needs just fine.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ds7 posted : As slashdotters pointed out, this (if it's true) will impair selection.  It won't be economical for Intel to produce combination units equivalent to all the possible combinations of boards and processors available now.<br><br>So the prospect is, if you want the better CPU you have to buy the combo with expensive features you don't want.  Or to get, say USB3 or more RAM slots or whatever, you have to pay more for the next-model CPU you don't need.<br><br>It's sort of a power grab too - they expect to gain all the business the mobo makers are currently doing.  Then if AMD fades away, Intel will be a super-monpolist.  At that stage, look for price hikes and remote-control technologies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : There still may be a market for a replaceable CPU. The new solder type CPU could be placed in a pin carrier and then be placed in a socket motherboard. But my real concern is that usually when a computer fails, it is never the CPU. It is the motherboard or a peripheral. So much for repair and replacement of failed components.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EUS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1609984" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1609984');">Ghastlyone</a>:</said><p>Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br><br>If I'm upgrading to a newer CPU, more then likely I'm buying a newer, better motherboard also.<br><br>I can see enthusiasts that "side grade" their CPU's often, getting angry over this. But I raelly don't see the huge issue.<br> </p></div>Yes, and sometimes more than once per board.<br><small>--<br><b><A HREF="http://www.tdprojecthope.com/"> ~ Project Hope ~ </a></b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[David posted : As someone who shops for price and small upgrades in between if intel is that short sided, I can be an AMD fan real quick! my quad core (which was a single core processor before the upgrade) was a nice $50 upgrade on the cheap. I went from a single core "Lima" to a quad core in one change. <br><br>I can easily afford upgrades like that, if I had to do proc and board each and every time I wouldn't upgrade very often. <br><small>--<br>If you have a topic in the direct forum please reply to it or a post of mine, I get a notification when you do this. <br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12602989~mode=flat">Koetting Ford, Granite City, illinois... YOU'RE FIRED!!<br></a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Anonymous_ posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1609984" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1609984');">Ghastlyone</a>:</said><p>Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br><br>If I'm upgrading to a newer CPU, more then likely I'm buying a newer, better motherboard also.<br><br>I can see enthusiasts that "side grade" their CPU's often, getting angry over this. But I raelly don't see the huge issue.<br> </p></div>  <br>The biggest issue is frying it    once you fry the  MB it's trash.<br><br>Seems like a money grab more then ever. <br><br>YEAH but WE WANT A LONGER warranty  at lest 5 year minimum fully transferable,  full coverage.<br><small>--<br>Well, does your car at least turn into something else? Sometimes  I turn it into a trashcan. Hmm...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Cheese posted : This article talks about putting the chipset on the cpu, not having the cpu directly soldered to the mainboard. <br><br>I highly doubt they are going to do this... <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.neowin.net/news/intel-broadwell-goodbye-chipset" >www.neowin.net/news/intel-broadw&middot;&middot;&middot;-chipset</A><br><br>"According to the slides shown by ComputerBase.de, the &#147;Broadwell&#148; microarchitecture will push the integration process to its limits by merging the PCH with the CPU: Broadwell will be produced on a 14 nanometers node and will be based on a &#147;Multi Chip Module&#148; design &#150; ie a single package will contain both the CPU+GPU core and the chipset controller."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Cthen posted : This will only piss off all customers in the long run.  When they take their machine into a shop for repair of course a tech will let them know that the CPU is just fine, it is the mobo that went bad.  They will have to tell the customer that just mobo cannot be replaced but rather have to buy a whole new combo which will cost even more.<br><br>It's nothing more than Intel trying to almost guarantee the sale of their CPUs to someone.<br><br>This could also be a good PR move for AMD as well if they are smart enough to take advantage it.<br><small>--<br>"I like to refer to myself as an Adult Film Efficienato." - Stuart Bondek</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Koil posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1609984" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1609984');">Ghastlyone</a>:</said><p>Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br><br>If I'm upgrading to a newer CPU, more then likely I'm buying a newer, better motherboard also.<br><br>I can see enthusiasts that "side grade" their CPU's often, getting angry over this. But I raelly don't see the huge issue.<br> </p></div>It's not even necesarily about upgrading, but the fact that different motherboards offer different features at different feature levels. The reason I may choose mobo A over B could be a drastic difference and they're assuming that they can encompass all needs in one mobo? I highly doubt this and really hope this is just rumor mill or niche market BS.<br><small>--<br>I am only one, but I am one.  I cannot do everything, but I can do something.  And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what I can do.- Edward Everett Hale<br><br><br><A HREF="http://raisingconnor.blogspot.com/"> My Blog - Raising Connor</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1692534" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1692534');">serge87</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1710902" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1710902');">Blockfire</a>:</said><p>do you think the that enthusiasts spend enough money to even give this a tad bit of weight?  I don't think so anymore,  i think computing for the general masses will be more mobile and therefore, people like us or who build their own computers, will not even be an afterthought.<br> </p></div>Yeah! Screw that <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/enthusiast_gaming_hardware_is_9_5_billion_market.html" >annual $12.5 billion pocket change!</A><br><br>/s<br><br>serious?<br> </p></div>I think this was cleared up as a rumour upthread... but thanks for posting the link. That's a serious chunk of change, and I'm glad we're non-negotiable part of the market.<br><small>--<br>Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Archivis posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</said><p>I have yet to figure out how anyone can bend a pin - at least with the AMDs - they are decently robust.  Can only put the CPU in one way and when lined up it just drops in.<br><br>I will admit - most of the time I replace both since I go 3-5 year in between builds but I would like to be able to have the option...<br> </p></div>I haven't bent a pin on a CPU since the 90's.  Pins were of a different breed back then.... like some of the older video cables and some of the older PS2 keyboard cables.<br><br>I've noticed they've reinforced a lot of the PS2/VGA cables over the last several years while they were being phased out... or maybe I just don't have bent pin issues anymore.  Who knows.<br><small>--<br>A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[serge87 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1710902" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1710902');">Blockfire</a>:</said><p>do you think the that enthusiasts spend enough money to even give this a tad bit of weight?  I don't think so anymore,  i think computing for the general masses will be more mobile and therefore, people like us or who build their own computers, will not even be an afterthought.<br> </p></div>Yeah! Screw that <A HREF="http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/enthusiast_gaming_hardware_is_9_5_billion_market.html" >annual $12.5 billion pocket change!</A><br><br>/s<br><br>serious?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DarkLogix posted : IIRC Broadwell is to be the mid-low CPU.<br><br>the highend (IE 2011) will still be the top.<br><br>Makes sense as the 1150 was always a low-end econo socket.<br><br>I can see intel making the mid/low-end just like the atoms and built on board but not the highend 2011 and xeons]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : The Intel EE series of processors has been around for some time and fundamentally unattainable to many due to price, yet it still endures.  I suspect that Intel would still give enthusiasts a more traditional option but would charge accordingly. This is a very Intel like tactic.   <br><br>We all knew that the market was trending away from powerful (power efficiency be damned) desktops.<br><br>When the trend first became known to me all I could think was &#147;what idiot would want to pay more for a less powerful platform that is hampered by battery / power efficiency and mobile needs?&#148;. I still feel the same way but the answer is clearly the vast majority. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blockfire posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1547832" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1547832');">El Quintron</a>:</said><p>What irks me about this, is that you now have two points of failure; the Mobo, and the CPU. If one breaks then the other is toast, it's going to be pretty wasteful if you consider the price of a top end CPU.<br><br> </p></div>this is what they want,  means they make more money selling parts to everyone instead of selling them peicemeal to enthusiasts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[WhyMe420 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1157186" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1157186');">quatrix</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>I have a 2600K and may or may not go to the 3770K.</p></div>I almost made that mistake recently until I realized it would only be about an 8% boost.<br> </p></div>Agreed. Who the heck would go from 2600k to 3770K except those with more money than sense. Personally with a 2600k @ 4.3 GHz I will be waiting for Haswell or even Skylake depending on how things progress. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : I hope that is correct,....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[drew posted : I like seeing that!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[FourWheelKid posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1039357539#post1039357539" >hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1&middot;&middot;&middot;39357539</A><br>Looks like they're not going to provide Broadwell as a traditional (not sure of the term) package, but higher-clocked Haswell products instead.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[drew posted : FWIW, the socket design on the AMD Phenom X2 5400+ series sucks balls.<br><br>The socket literally ripped off the board when trying to mount the HSF - I'd done numerous replacements and upgrades with the same kind of socket style and HSF style, so I knew what I was doing. It just broke.<br><br>Way too much pressure in the wrong spots... why do I have a flat-head screw driver in a tiny little socket with that much force exerted on it when PCB isn't that tough?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://flic.kr/drew_dslr">flickr</a> | <i>'Cause I've been waiting, all my life just waiting<br>For you to shine, shine your light on me</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</said><p>I have yet to figure out how anyone can bend a pin - at least with the AMDs - they are decently robust.  Can only put the CPU in one way and when lined up it just drops in.<br><br>I will admit - most of the time I replace both since I go 3-5 year in between builds but I would like to be able to have the option...<br> </p></div>I think the Intel LGA is a bit more fragile then the AMD offering. I wouldn't want to install and remove the CPU repeatedly on an Intel system.<br><br>Does AMD still use ZIF or something similar?  One thing I didn't like about AMD sockets is that in some cases the TIM may create a kind of weld that can pull the CPU right out of the socket when removing the HSF. This can't happen with the Intel retention clamp design.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[quatrix posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/350435" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=350435');">DKS</a>:</said><p>I have a 2600K and may or may not go to the 3770K.</p></div>I almost made that mistake recently until I realized it would only be about an 8% boost.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : I have yet to figure out how anyone can bend a pin - at least with the AMDs - they are decently robust.  Can only put the CPU in one way and when lined up it just drops in.<br><br>I will admit - most of the time I replace both since I go 3-5 year in between builds but I would like to be able to have the option...<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : Oh you mean the motherboard manufacturers that have to deal with bent pins. When Intel moved the pin design to the motherboard&#146;s socket they knew they were having the support for bent pins pushed on them. <br><br>Besides there are a number of motherboards that come with built in CPU now to say nothing of Intel&#146;s upcoming Intel Next Unit of Computing (NUC).<br><br>If this does happen the bill of materials goes up for the motherboards but what is the alternative,&#133;.being pushed out of the market or coming up with a workaround,&#133;.?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[me1212 posted : Even if Intel does try to do this, they still have to get the mobo manufacturers to go along with it.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Krisnatharok posted : This would be terrible news for us DIYers if true.  Haswell is supposed to land Q2 of 2013, so this is a couple years out.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1710902" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1710902');">Blockfire</a>:</said><p>do you think the that enthusiasts spend enough money to even give this a tad bit of weight?  I don't think so anymore,  i think computing for the general masses will be more mobile and therefore, people like us or who build their own computers, will not even be an afterthought.<br> </p></div>What irks me about this, is that you now have two points of failure; the Mobo, and the CPU. If one breaks then the other is toast, it's going to be pretty wasteful if you consider the price of a top end CPU.<br><br>Secondly this type of thinking is typical monopolist garbage, and we wouldn't be having this conversation if AMD was a valid competitor in the high end market.<br><br>Hopefully this is not the future.<br><br>If Intel does go this route, hopefully there will still be room for an enthusiast segment, and the Motherboard manufacturers will be be able to cut a bargain... or AMD or someone else (Nvidia?) will be able to supply the enthusiast market.<br><small>--<br>Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Octavean posted : I think its  possibility,&#133;.<br><br>Intel currently offers the unlocked K series for enthusiasts wanting to overclock (for now,..) but  I suspect the numbers there are significantly lower then non &#147;K&#148; series and these never warranted their own existence (by the numbers buying them). <br><br>As I said in another thread I would be OK with it if Intel allowed for separate CPU / motherboard combs for a nominal fee,&#133;.like the &#147;K&#148; series,&#133;..for however long that lasts,&#133;..<br><br>Enthusiasts are a minority, a vocal minority but a minority nonetheless,&#133; ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Blockfire posted : do you think the that enthusiasts spend enough money to even give this a tad bit of weight?  I don't think so anymore,  i think computing for the general masses will be more mobile and therefore, people like us or who build their own computers, will not even be an afterthought.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[El Quintron posted : Don't want to jump the gun, but this would be terrible if it were true, and it could only happen if there wasn't any competition. So here's hoping AMD pulls its head out of its ass and starts competing properly ASAP.l<br><small>--<br>Support Bacteria -- It's the Only Culture Some People Have</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DKS posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1609984" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1609984');">Ghastlyone</a>:</said><p>Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br> </p></div>I have done it on two renewals, and I'm thinking of doing it again. I went from the Q6600 to a Q9650. I have a 2600K and may or may not go to the 3770K.<br><small>--<br>Need-based health care not greed-based health care.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ghastlyone posted : Do people really replace their CPU's that often without replacing their motherboards?<br><br>If I'm upgrading to a newer CPU, more then likely I'm buying a newer, better motherboard also.<br><br>I can see enthusiasts that "side grade" their CPU's often, getting angry over this. But I raelly don't see the huge issue.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[drew posted : And another, maybe more reliable source: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141443-leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-the-end-of-socketed-cpus-the-end-of-upgradable-pc" >www.extremetech.com/computing/14&middot;&middot;&middot;dable-pc</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://flic.kr/drew_dslr">flickr</a> | <i>'Cause I've been waiting, all my life just waiting<br>For you to shine, shine your light on me</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[drew posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/" >semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/inte&middot;&middot;&middot;with-it/</A><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>In a story that SemiAccurate has been following for several months, Broadwell will not come in an LGA package, so no removable CPU. The news was first publicly broken by the ever sharp PC Watch, english version here, but the news has been floating in the backchannel for a bit now. The problem? This information wasn&#146;t floating around the OEMs or the majority of the PC ecosystem, they had no clue. What does all of this mean? Quite a bit.<br><br>The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year&#146;s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast. Motherboards will still be available, but the CPUs that come with them will be soldered down. In addition to being a inventory management nightmare, OEMs won&#146;t buy CPUs any more, the few remaining mobo vendors and ODMs will. As a side effect, it also cuts the enthusiast out of the picture for good, but more on that later.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Wow. This can't actually be true, can it?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://flic.kr/drew_dslr">flickr</a> | <i>'Cause I've been waiting, all my life just waiting<br>For you to shine, shine your light on me</i></small>]]></description>
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