 AkFubarAdmittedly, A Teksavvy Fan
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Re: Blog: Recent Developments in Canadian Copyright Law said by d4m1r:1) Props to TSI for sending out an email to everyone, and one in plain english so everyone understands TSI's position and knows their rights.
2) Another props to TSI for taking the stance they have (privacy over corporate interests) and yet again reminding me of why I recommend TSI over Rogers/Bell/etc every time 
3) Everyone please keep in mind bittorrent is merely a neutral technology, and a perfectly legal and useful one at that. It saves distribution and bandwidth costs and can even be used to legally download "backup" copies of media you already own. +1 for BT!
I hope TSI's stance doesn't change in the future and while the big 3 might not value my privacy, I certainly do and I'm glad TSI does as well.
+1!
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It really didn't say much of anything.
3 Web Corp., Access Communications Co-Operative Ltd., ACN Inc., and Distributel Communications Ltd have been targeted by a US copyright trolling company. November 19 they got a Canadian federal court judge to force the ISP's to reveal the users. About 50 people will be harassed in the trial round.
The fines start at 100$ and 5000$ is the max for all infringing combined. Plaintiff must prove damages so expect them to try to keep it out of court. If a sympathetic judge gives a 100$ judgement they are screwed. Copyright lawyers who can litigate cost over 500$ an hour.
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infusionsoft.com third party mailer said by Ott_Cable :Please note that passing your clients' info to a 3rd party mailer: infusionsoft.com is a violation to privacy. I agree. I complained about this a few months back concerning a different e-mail. At first they denied using a third party mailer, and when I replied showing them the message headers, I was ignored.
I used the "unsubscribe" link to remove my address from the list. If that doesn't work, I'll just block all mail from infusionsoft. |
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 MJB
join:2012-01-29 | reply to TSI Marc
Re: Blog: Recent Developments in Canadian Copyright Law well u could crack the program yourself (game) and pass it around on a jumpstick.. meaning the game will have to be bought first from a store. |
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| well, i have a vpn service that changes my ip address to a US one. Would that be a way to get around this BS copy right law? |
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Would a seedbox be another option? I haven't been keeping up with the copyright laws in other countries so I'm not sure if it would be. |
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It's too bad everyone was so quick to have konrad von frankenstein (The previous chairman of the CRTC) kicked out.
Well he might not have understood technical things further then the scope bell wanted him to understand. He did fight for people to have some rights after seeing how much the American Music Industry just exploited Americans.
We could probably all complain about this if he was still there and prevent these copyright lawyers from exploiting our customers over stupid thing's like downloading the latest episode of house. The new guy might be able to help as well.
Konrad Von Frankenstein the reason the music industry can't fine you for $250,000 for downloading the latest Brittany Spears song.
I am having a really hard time understanding why I would have to give out any of my subscriber's information without a subpoena and how anyone in the government could possibly think it is a good idea for any isp to just give subscriber info out to anyone who claims they are an anti-piracy agency.
Does anyone have a link with some more information regarding this law ?
edit: I would seriously hope that I only have to comply with canadian company's for canadian content. If tell me I have to co-operate with foreign nations anti-piracy agency's this is going to be a big sticky mess.
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said by d4m1r:2) Another props to TSI for taking the stance they have (privacy over corporate interests) and yet again reminding me of why I recommend TSI over Rogers/Bell/etc every time
What hat did you pull that out of?
No where do they state they will go to court and fight anyone to protect your privacy before handing off your info on court order.
Care to paste it? I must have missed it. |
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said by jubjub107:Would a seedbox be another option? I haven't been keeping up with the copyright laws in other countries so I'm not sure if it would be.
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said by bobby :well, i have a vpn service that changes my ip address to a US one. Would that be a way to get around this BS copy right law?
I wouldn't worry about it. The perception is this:
said by d4m1r:2) Another props to TSI for taking the stance they have (privacy over corporate interests) and yet again reminding me of why I recommend TSI over Rogers/Bell/etc every time
Seems the perception is that TSI will protect you and not give your info out.
I think some people are in for a wake-up call. |
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said by OHSrob:I am having a really hard time understanding why I would have to give out any of my subscriber's information without a subpoena and how anyone in the government could possibly think it is a good idea for any isp to just give subscriber info out to anyone who claims they are an anti-piracy agency.
Teksavvy did state in the email that they wouldn't do so without a court order, you could do the same.
If you wanted to dispute the court order, or not comply with it, you might be looking at a more challenging situation.
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| said by El Quintron:said by OHSrob:I am having a really hard time understanding why I would have to give out any of my subscriber's information without a subpoena and how anyone in the government could possibly think it is a good idea for any isp to just give subscriber info out to anyone who claims they are an anti-piracy agency.
Teksavvy did state in the email that they wouldn't do so without a court order, you could do the same. If you wanted to dispute the court order, or not comply with it, you might be looking at a more challenging situation. Ok wicked I don't mind if there is due process.
I was just worried from what I was reading on the blog that anyone could just email me with an ip ask who it is and expect me to tell them. |
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| said by OHSrob:said by El Quintron:said by OHSrob:I am having a really hard time understanding why I would have to give out any of my subscriber's information without a subpoena and how anyone in the government could possibly think it is a good idea for any isp to just give subscriber info out to anyone who claims they are an anti-piracy agency.
Teksavvy did state in the email that they wouldn't do so without a court order, you could do the same. If you wanted to dispute the court order, or not comply with it, you might be looking at a more challenging situation. Ok wicked I don't mind if there is due process. I was just worried from what I was reading on the blog that anyone could just email me with an ip ask who it is and expect me to tell them. -It will go to court.
-You will have the option of fighting for your customers privacy.
-You "should" inform your customers if a request for their info is made before a court order is handed down so they can fight it (fight the release of their info to this 3rd party) to protect themselves if they so wish (which is what Teksavvy says they will do, instead of protecting peoples privacy like some people above think they will do).
-You should have a policy in place that if a court orders disclosure you charge as a minimum X$ to process the request (takes man-hours and resources). Bell et al charge from 200 to 300+ per request (that is, per IP).
-Likely more you can/should do, but that's up to you to figure out and comply with Canadian laws, privacy etc. I wouldn't be surprised if some people actually drag you to court or to privcom if you don't cover the basics...
TSI is doing the bare minimum basics, per their blog, to cover themselves. If you copy them you should be good.
From what I understand, people on a wisp (ie like Gorilla George) will have to ID which person out of the 50 or so sharing the same IP they are exactly to comply not only with this, but some new "security" legislation.
How this would apply to a reseller of someone like TSI, I'm not sure. But don't be surprises to get a $200-300 Bill if you are a reseller and have to involved them. Man-power isn't free. And you shouldn't be giving peoples info out for free. At least make the extortionist pay to make them think twice and to make them realize their fishing expeditions will have a cost to them.
So resellers should be working this out with TSI. 200-300$ to TSI (or whatever their minimum is + your time as the reseller if you are involved). I would like to think that you at least stick it to them money wise before they run off with your customers info. |
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| said by etc etc :-You will have the option of fighting for your customers privacy.
I'm certainly not a lawyer by any stretch, but, once you're at the court order stage there isn't a whole lot you can do reaslistically except for confirm the order is valid, if you chose not to comply, you're looking at a court battle.
If one court battle meant you could disregards all subsequent court orders, then there's a remote chance it might be worth it, but more likely you'd have to have a protracted for each and every court order issued.
Not a scenario any business could afford, realistically.
I'm going to put the question to someone who can provide me with credible legal counsel, and with their permission I'll post it back here.
Circumstances permitting of course.
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| said by El Quintron:once you're at the court order stage there isn't a whole lot you can do reaslistically except for confirm the order is valid, if you chose not to comply, you're looking at a court battle.
Yeah, before the court orders it, obviously, the ISP could send legal representation to fight it, at their cost. Which isn't what's going to happen. As you stated, costs are up there. Plus it doesn't make any sense.
Some people in this topic are under the very strange impression, as seen, that TSI is going to protect their privacy ("privacy over corporate interests" or whatever rhetoric they stated). |
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Teksavvy, please confirm that Teksavvy will be keeping AT MOST 6 months worth of logs but no more than 6 months to comply with the law.
It wouldnt make sense to the teksavvy clients if teksavvy kept logs for 9 months when the law says 6 months |
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Burlington, ON | Hopefully you get an answer, but I doubt any will be forth coming. Once Mark made the original post they seem to have gone silent on various other policies.
Personally I would like the following answered:
- How long they retain Logs
- How they used to handle copyright infrigement notices
- How they will handle court order notifications for the account holder.
I am guessing it will be ignored, but hey Christmas is right around the corner maybe we will be surprised. |
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said by callous10:Teksavvy, please confirm that Teksavvy will be keeping AT MOST 6 months worth of logs but no more than 6 months to comply with the law. Why so long?
I don't know of any law requiring that TSI keep any logs until after a specific investigation of a specific individual case is launched. |
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brad
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Etobicoke, ON | reply to MJB
said by MJB:well u could crack the program yourself (game) and pass it around on a jumpstick.. meaning the game will have to be bought first from a store.
Please stop making me laugh with your foolish posts. |
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said by Jinzo:Hopefully you get an answer, but I doubt any will be forth coming. Once Mark made the original post they seem to have gone silent on various other policies.
Personally I would like the following answered:
- How long they retain Logs
- How they used to handle copyright infrigement notices
- How they will handle court order notifications for the account holder.
I am guessing it will be ignored, but hey Christmas is right around the corner maybe we will be surprised.
I agree. I would like answers to these questions aswell |
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