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tpkatl
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Creepy. Scary. Ugly.

How many more adjectives can I use?

Talk about intrusiveness. Big Brother times five.

How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me.

TrainBuff
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I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy.

tshirt
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How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me.

If you agree to it, why not? (not sure why anyone would, but look at all the WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION stuff posted on facebook/twitter/YouTube/etc)

It's hardly big brother which would imply it was forced on you by the Gov't.
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No words, just a number: 1984.
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But that is how it begins... by all of us accepting something that we initially think of as trivial and inconsequential. What happens when everyone has willingly accepted these things and they become the status quo, only to have some agency of government realize that they could be used for another purpose?

Corehhi
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I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy.

What fun a couple of 300 pounders going at it on the couch while watching a skin flick.......LOL. Condom ads????
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We're already there with our cell phones / tablets/ PC's that already have remote control by big brother at some level (time to run Linux).

I'll just say this - no TV in the bedroom

TrainBuff
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said by Corehhi:

said by TrainBuff:

I have two words...NO WAY! I value my privacy.

What fun a couple of 300 pounders going at it on the couch while watching a skin flick.......LOL. Condom ads????

Or an ad for a new couch.

NormanS
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said by tshirt:

It's hardly big brother which would imply it was forced on you by the Gov't.

Unless the provider offered the choice of a DVR without the cameras, then it is a forced deal. "Sorry, you have to take the camera model, or no DVR" is a likely Corporate offer.

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IF that ultimatum happened, I believe MOST people would refuse, the providers DVR profits would suffer greatly ( a lot more than they would gain from targeted ad fees) and they would have a warehouse full of dusty DVR's.
I think more likely would be to get people to take these with the cameras turned off, and then have promos like "free" showtime for 6 months, IF you let us watch you ("gather data" might sound less voyerish )
Or offering xbox-ish kinect type games for free.
People should outright reject this for hacking reasons (both external and the company (or rogue employees ) "accidently" turning your box on) and the slippery slope this represents, but some will agree without thinking about the long term.

Camelot One
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said by tpkatl:

How many more adjectives can I use?

Talk about intrusiveness. Big Brother times five.

How a company could see that this is even remotely desirable (not to mention legal) is beyond me.

Oh I'm sure you would see a lot of complaining by people who frequent this site. But all Verizon would have to do is waive the DVR rental fee in exchange for "subscribing" to this, and the general public would eat it up. American's have proven time and again that they will happily trade their souls for a discount.
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I would not be shocked that if such DVRs across all carriers became common place that the government would go off and demand warrantless DVR camera tapping to go with their already legal spying of other communications.

Typical consumer will never even care, While the tech savvy will put black electrical tape over the camera.
Mr Matt
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Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box.

Camelot One
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said by Mr Matt:

Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box.

It could be, but it won't. Since Verizon requires a set top box to receive channels, incorporating something like this would be a legal minefield. But if they keep it limited to DVRs, thus a "premium" device, they can get away with it unchallenged.

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Why does everyone think this technology requires a DVR to function. This snoop-ware can be incorporated in any Set Top Box.

I expect that any Internet connected device with a camera, integrated, or add-on, could be co-opted by a third party. It was with considerable trepidation that I added a web-cam to my desktop. What if the Logitech software phones home and permits some remote operator to access the camera?

Such devices must be fully and unequivocally under the control of the end user.
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I'm probably a little paranoid, but I physically disconnect my webcam when I'm not using it, and I also turn my microphone off (it's a stage mic with a USB powered pre-amp that I built myself).