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<description><![CDATA[8744675 posted : Look for any place where the copper may be connected to old galvanized pipe without an insulator to prevent a dielectric reaction between the 2 metals.  That will speed up corrosion of the pipes where they meet.  <br><br>Also as previously mentioned, if the risers to the fixtures are still the old galvanized pipe, it's probably the source of the restriction.  Many times the old galvanized risers aren't replaced because it's difficult to get the old pipe out and run new copper inside a wall.  <br><br>I could not see light through a 2 foot long section of galvanized pipe that I pulled out of my house. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bob posted : Ask them what pressure their pipes are at.  If that differs significantly from your pressure readings, there's a pressure regulator somewhere.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : I don't do any plumbing myself unless it's threaded and that isn't really plumbing. I'll see what I can test tonight.<br><br>I called the city and the tech department took a message after I explained the issue. They want the manager to call me and he's out of the office today. If nothing else I'd like to get them to replace the meter and while they do that test the pressure/flow from the city. It doesn't make sense to do anything in the house if the problem is with the city.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MrFixit1 posted : "If the flow/pressure on the outside faucet and the washer faucet are both an issue would that mean it's an issue in the line between the meter and the city?"<br>Not necessarily , it just means the issue is upstream of the point at which you are testing  .<br>To eliminate the meter , you would have to flow test right after the meter ( actually should be done at the output of the meter with the meter disconnected from the house plumbing ).<br>Testing of the main feed should be done with the meter removed .<br>Would not really recommend you disconnect the meter yourself , some utilities tend to get upset at anyone else touching the meters :)  <br> Got to learn to refresh before hitting post :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[tschmidt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>If the flow/pressure on the outside faucet and the washer faucet are both an issue would that mean it's an issue in the line between the meter and the city?<br> </p></div>Or between the meter and the faucet.<br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/239636" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=239636');">tschmidt</a>:</said><p>Have you tried doing flow test for outside faucets? How about water heater or boiler. The result should help narrow down the location.</p></div>Not yet as it was raining yesterday but with any luck I can test that tonight.<br><br>The water heater and boiler are both on the other side of the basement maybe like 40-50 feet away from the main water line. The washer is right next to the main line so maybe I'll remove the washer and test the flow/pressure there.<br><br>If the flow/pressure on the outside faucet and the washer faucet are both an issue would that mean it's an issue in the line between the meter and the city?<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1838228" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1838228');">Bob</a>:</said><p>You should have something like this after the meter.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.watts.com/pages/_products_details.asp?pid=776" >www.watts.com/pages/_products_de&middot;&middot;&middot;?pid=776</A><br> </p></div>Nothing like that. It looks like this except there is a shut off valve installed.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27786427?c=2056369&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzc4MzEyMy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="69349 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=462 SRC="/r0/download/2056369.thumb600~7747c83fb8584bb7cd21ba1fb38adb06/Water_Meter_Installation_medium.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 09:44:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[tschmidt posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p> Well, even with the 1/2" - something's not right (which you know... otherwise, you wouldn't be here, like you said!) - you should be able to pull 7.5-8 gpm through that 1/2"  You must have a restriction in the line somewhere.<br> </p></div>Agree.<br><br>The problem is finding out where the obstruction is.<br><br>Ideally there would be a boiler drain right after the water meter. Running the test there would determine if the problem was with the feed into the house of the feed from the municipal water supply.<br><br>IMHO you need to find the obstruction, it is only going to get worse. Spending money on some sort of booster system will only delay the inevitable total failure.<br><br>Have you tried doing flow test for outside faucets? How about water heater or boiler. The result should help narrow down the location.<br><br>Getting the town to swap out the meter sounds promising, perhaps they could do a flow test while the meter was out with a test jig.<br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bob posted : You should have something like this after the meter.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.watts.com/pages/_products_details.asp?pid=776" >www.watts.com/pages/_products_de&middot;&middot;&middot;?pid=776</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : All I could find is a water meter but it has no adjustments I can see. There is a shut off valve right before the meter but then the pipe goes into the floor. After it leaves the water meter it goes up into the cabinets so there's no adjustments in there I'd hope. Should there be an adjustment for pressure on the meter?<br><br>I'll try to take a picture tonight.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bob posted : You could have an obstruction in your water meter.  (Had that happen.)  Also try to find a pressure regulator.  Street pressure should be &gt; 50 psi, so you probably have a pressure regulator somewhere.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : The feed from the city is 3/4 so the pump/tank should never run out since the supply is greater then the 1/2 in the house can use. There is 50% more water going into the pump/tank then what the house can use given that pipe sizes. Unless I'm understanding it wrong. <br><br>It does sound like there is an obstruction somewhere though if the best we can get is 1.5 gpm. It has to be in the main line somewhere either from the city or behind the cabinets since it happens everywhere. It might be worth another call to the city to see if they can check their line.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>I wouldn't have posted a thread if the pipe could be easily replaced. People just aren't reading or understanding the point of this thread. It's asking for alternatives period. Not to rehash what we already know. :)<br> </p></div>Well, even with the 1/2" - something's not right (which you know... otherwise, you wouldn't be here, like you said!) - you should be able to pull 7.5-8 gpm through that 1/2"  You must have a restriction in the line somewhere.<br><br>I still don't think a pump and tank setup's going to help - it may mask the problem, in the short term, but it's not going to fix it...  Once the tank's exhausted, you're going to be reduced to back to your 'normal' flow.  If you can only refill the tank at 1.5-2 gpm, that's all you'll ever be able to get, no mater how big a pump you throw at it.  If you try and out-pump your supply, you'll cause cavitation, and do damage to the pump and/or plumbing...<br><br>Anyways - be very interested to hear what the plumber has to say...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : Yesterday's testing:<br>The basement sink was about 1.5 gpm the kitchen was about 1.2 gpm and the bathtub upstairs was about 1 gpm. <br><br>I couldn't find the water pressure gauge. I'm in the process of moving all my stuff back into the <i>new</i> garage so I'll find it eventually.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1506715" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1506715');">Jack_in_VA</a>:</said><p> I don't think it will do much for flow unless he removes the flow control orifices in his faucets and shower heads.</p></div>Nope it wouldn't help at all without replacing those back to the original 1.5-2 gpm items but until the flow is improved they need to remain so it sounds the the best plan is a pressure tank with pump then remove the water saver fixtures. The plumber called off last night as he got an emergency no heat call. I told him that's not a problem we've lived with this issue for 2 years so no rush. <br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>It's been said 3 times already but here's a 4th. Changing the 1/2 pipe is <b>NOT AN OPTION</b>.<br> </p></div>Well, that's the rub.  You're not prepared to fix what's actually causing the issue...</p></div>I wouldn't have posted a thread if the pipe could be easily replaced. People just aren't reading or understanding the point of this thread. It's asking for alternatives period. Not to rehash what we already know. :)<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/790826" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=790826');">LazMan</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>It's been said 3 times already but here's a 4th. Changing the 1/2 pipe is <b>NOT AN OPTION</b>.<br> </p></div>Well, that's the rub.  You're not prepared to fix what's actually causing the issue...<br><br>50PSI is fine - you're not complaining about pressure, you're complaining about volume, if I'm understanding your issue... and the volume is going to be limited by the 1/2" line.  Increasing the pressure will actually reduce volume, as more friction loss will impact the flow.<br><br>Adding a local booster pump and a tank may work, until the tank's exhausted... You can't pump out more then you can pull in - and outpumping your supply for any length of time is a great way to find yourself shopping for a new pump.<br><br>Until the volume issue is resolved, pressure's a moot point...  50's maybe a little on the low end, but completely normal (45-80 psi static)...<br> </p></div>If he puts in a booster pump and volume tank it will  not be exhausted because the pump will more than adequately keep it and the pressure up. It won't effect the life of the pump as that is what a booster pump is designed to do. <br> I don't  think it will do much for flow unless he removes the flow control orifices in his faucets and shower heads.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[LazMan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>It's been said 3 times already but here's a 4th. Changing the 1/2 pipe is <b>NOT AN OPTION</b>.<br> </p></div>Well, that's the rub.  You're not prepared to fix what's actually causing the issue...<br><br>50PSI is fine - you're not complaining about pressure, you're complaining about volume, if I'm understanding your issue... and the volume is going to be limited by the 1/2" line.  Increasing the pressure will actually reduce volume, as more friction loss will impact the flow.<br><br>Adding a local booster pump and a tank may work, until the tank's exhausted... You can't pump out more then you can pull in - and outpumping your supply for any length of time is a great way to find yourself shopping for a new pump.<br><br>Until the volume issue is resolved, pressure's a moot point...  50's maybe a little on the low end, but completely normal (45-80 psi static)...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/171387" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=171387');">scooper</a>:</said><p>Your real problem is the 1/2 pipe for your main runs. 3/4 or 1 inch would do much better for volume. My house (which I redid myself) is piped this way - 3/4 inch mainlines, then 1/2 to each fixture.<br><br>And yes - I know about the 1/2 inch. My brother re-did my mom's house plumbing (without talking to me or a licensed plumber) and used 1/2 copper all the way  - she can't even run the washing machine and take a shower at the same time ! I can run 3-4 shower heads AND fill the washing machine (at least until the hot water tank runs out) AND have a hose bib filling the pool AND run the dishwasher on a well that puts out 13 gallons per minute.<br> </p></div>It's been said 3 times already but here's a 4th. Changing the 1/2 pipe is <b>NOT AN OPTION</b>.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Some things not mentioned so far-<br><br>50 psi city is normal common fine. It will vary with time of day. Lower when everybody using water like morning shower time n higher when city sleepimg like 4 am.<br><br>Aereators clog easily especially if pipes had recent work.<br><br>If u suspect clogged pipes and have a faucet outside u can try backflushing the housepipes by running water backwards. Put a hose to the sink faucet and let the water exit the open outside faucet. Shut off your city water n use a neighbors hose.<br><br>Gauges too can get miscalibrated.<br><br>also check neighbors pressure to see if everyone is at 50 or juzt you. Try too at bigger houses that have bigger in pipes. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[scooper posted : Your real problem is the 1/2 pipe for your main runs. 3/4 or 1 inch would do much better for volume. My house (which I redid myself) is piped this way - 3/4 inch mainlines, then 1/2 to each fixture.<br><br>And yes - I know about the 1/2 inch. My brother re-did my mom's house plumbing (without talking to me or a licensed plumber) and used 1/2 copper all the way  - she can't even run the washing machine and take a shower at the same time ! I can run 3-4 shower heads AND fill the washing machine (at least until the hot water tank runs out) AND have a hose bib filling the pool AND run the dishwasher on a well that puts out 13 gallons per minute.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : I'll retest the water pressure on each level tonight as well. I only did the showers last time but I'll see if I can get the outside reading that's not far from the main line. <br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/827047" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=827047');">Ken</a>:</said><p>You said the main lines are copper, are the stub outs copper as well? I've seen many cases where the entire home is done in copper but the 6" stub outs coming out of the wall are galvanized steel. Over time they fill up with deposits and almost completely close off. I've seen this on the galvanized piece connecting the copper hot line to the water heater as well.<br> </p></div>No clue. I just looked at the main house and main from city in the basement. The others I just turned the handles to make sure they were open all the way but never looked at the lines. I'll find that out tonight. Good idea!<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ken posted : You said the main lines are copper, are the stub outs copper as well? I've seen many cases where the entire home is done in copper but the 6" stub outs coming out of the wall are galvanized steel. Over time they fill up with deposits and almost completely close off. I've seen this on the galvanized piece connecting the copper hot line to the water heater as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1838228" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1838228');">Bob</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>They are .5 gpm in the bathroom sinks & 1.5 gpm showerheads. </p></div>No wonder you have a flow problem.  I replaced my aerators with 2.2 GPM ones.<br><br>I'm not sure if you said, but you have copper pipes?<br><br>Best bet is to put 3/4" pipes from the water meter to at least the point where the pipe splits to feed the water heater.  That's my arrangement.<br> </p></div>They couldn't handle 1.5 gpms so to increase the pressure you have to restrict the volume. It's basic stuff. The volume is still an issue that's only a band aid fix. I'd like to reinstall the 1.5 gpm aerators but the volume needs to improve first......hence the post.<br><br>Yes it's copper as stated in the first post. :)<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : Just looked up the kitchen sink faucet and Moen says it's 2.2 gpm. The humidifier container is 2.1 gallons so it should be 1 minute to fill up. I'll try to remove the aerator tonight. I'll also turn the hot and cold again to make sure they are open all the way. I only use straight cold for testing though. <br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Bob posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>They are .5 gpm in the bathroom sinks & 1.5 gpm showerheads. </p></div>No wonder you have a flow problem.  I replaced my aerators with 2.2 GPM ones.<br><br>I'm not sure if you said, but you have copper pipes?<br><br>Best bet is to put 3/4" pipes from the water meter to at least the point where the pipe splits to feed the water heater.  That's my arrangement.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1003137" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1003137');">garys_2k</a>:</said><p>The kitchen sink may have a flow restriction in it, hopefully the laundry tub or outside faucet won't.<br> </p></div>I'll test a few spots tonight.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : I just looked up the humidifier info online. It's 2.1 gallons and it takes 1 minute 40 seconds to fill up in the kitchen sink. I'll try it in the basement sink that's only a few feet from the main line tonight.<br><br>Online calculator says that like 1.2 gpm.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.1728.org/flow.htm" >www.1728.org/flow.htm</A><br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : The meter is in the corner in a cabinet coming out of the floor. There is a small hole in the back where it then goes behind the cabinets and through the cabinets about 10-12 feet then into a fixed wood panel ceiling. It also passes through a closet but it's exposed there. Removing the cabinets is out per the wife. She just went through months of construction from an addition and refuses to deal with more of that anytime soon. That said there isn't thousands of dollars in the budget for this more like $750 tops.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/611909" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=611909');">patcat88</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1003137" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1003137');">garys_2k</a>:</said><p>Yes, a booster pump and tank would probably help, but it'd likely be simpler and less expensive to just replace that 1/2" main (which is way under-sized) with 3/4 or 1". PEX isn't expensive and is easy enough to DIY.<br> </p></div>As I said that's not possible. It's a fully finished basement and there is built in cabinets around the main with no access to replace unless you cut/rip the cabinets out. <br> </p></div>Then surface mount the new 3/4 trunk pipe. Pipe friction is killing you. Keep the trunk as 3/4 or 1 inch until you reach the riser pipes that go off to individual rooms.<br> </p></div>Replying to a PM.<br><br>Take the shelves out, cut out the back of the cabinet. Nobody can see there are cut marks if the cabinet doors are closed. Or take the cabinets down. Need a few guys to do it but its easy. Once the back of the cabinet is cut (dont cut structural boards that make up the cabinet), the backsplash drywall can be cut too, and then 3 to 4 pieces of pipe with couplers, from the floor to the ceiling. Or use PEX and snake it behind the cabinets. Why are there cabinets above the meter? Is the meter hidden in the cabinet? Your cabinets are probably a plumbing code violation anyway if they make the meter inaccessible. You never know who (FD, cops, renter, house sitter, guest) has to turn the water off in an emergency.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1524524" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1524524');">Mr Matt</a>:</said><p>Yes there is a restriction, the low flow aerators really suck. In this house and my previous residence the master bath was located on the opposite side of the house as the water heater. It took forever to get hot water. I replaced the aerators in my previous residence with full flow aerators and that mitigated the problem. I do not have the same luxury in this house. I cannot find a full flow aerator for the bathroom sinks in this house. It can take up to one minute to fill a gallon jug in the kitchen. You might check and find out what the rating is on the flow restriction on your aerators. They can vary from 0.2 GPM to 1.5 GPM. Check with the manufacture of your faucets to find out what aerator options that you have. <br> </p></div>They are .5 gpm in the bathroom sinks & 1.5 gpm showerheads. The kitchen sink is a normal Moen that says 3.0 gpm on it. <br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[garys_2k posted : Yes, see how long it takes to fill a 5 gallon bucket at the laundry sink and at the outside faucet farthest from the meter. Then, repeat with both faucets running. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cowboyro posted : Check if you have a half-closed valve somewhere. Main valve? Valves at the meter?<br>I have a PRV set at 50psi, 3/4 main. I'm getting 7gpm at the outside faucets.<br>What volume are you getting? Did you try to measure? Fill a bucket with water using gallon jugs for reference, mark the level, see how long it takes to fill from outside faucet to the same level to get the real flow rate.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Mr Matt posted : Yes there is a restriction, the low flow aerators really suck. In this house and my previous residence the master bath was located on the opposite side of the house as the water heater. It took forever to get hot water. I replaced the aerators in my previous residence with full flow aerators and that mitigated the problem. I do not have the same luxury in this house. I cannot find a full flow aerator for the bathroom sinks in this house. It can take up to one minute to fill a gallon jug in the kitchen. You might check and find out what the rating is on the flow restriction on your aerators. They can vary from 0.2 GPM to 1.5 GPM. Check with the manufacture of your faucets to find out what aerator options that you have. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/401000" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=401000');">jjoshua</a>:</said><p>Any chance that your pipe is internally restricted somewhere?</p></div>Possibly but no where I can see. I've check the main from the city and it's open all the way. There is no reduction value I can see. All the sinks are open all the way and new low flow aerators were installed last year. It could be in the pipes somewhere I guess the profession will have to look at it and see. If nothing else it looks like we need to increase the pressure to 60-70 psi to get a higher gpm flow.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jjoshua posted : According to this calculator, 50PSI through a 1/2 pipe should give you much more water than you're currently getting.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/extension/lawn/Files/Garden_Hose.htm" >www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/extension/l&middot;&middot;&middot;Hose.htm</A><br><br>1/2" hose, 50PSI, 200' = 3GPM.<br><br>Any chance that your pipe is internally restricted somewhere?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[bmilone2 posted : 50 to 55 lb pressure is considered to be fairly normal household water pressure. If as you say the pressure stay the same even with multiple fixtures open then I am not fully understanding why you think you have an issue.<br><br>Some of the suggestions, like adding a booster pump or increasing pipe size really wont help. Pumps can only work with the water available. If the city is supplying water at a set rate a pump can only provide a boost in pressure if for say the horizontal runs creates lower pressure in certain areas of the house. But you have already stated that pressure is constant.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : This looks like a good tank or some other brand of Pre-Charged Pressure Tank.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.flotecpump.com/ResidentialProduct_fl_hw_tk_FP7110.aspx" >www.flotecpump.com/ResidentialPr&middot;&middot;&middot;110.aspx</A><br><br>40ish gallons is plenty for a shower with water saver heads.<br><br>Looking at the manual for this tank it might be an option to install two of these type tanks. It says that doubles the drawdown.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1003137" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1003137');">garys_2k</a>:</said><p>Yes, a booster pump and tank would probably help, but it'd likely be simpler and less expensive to just replace that 1/2" main (which is way under-sized) with 3/4 or 1". PEX isn't expensive and is easy enough to DIY.<br> </p></div>As I said that's not possible. It's a fully finished basement and there is built in cabinets around the main with no access to replace unless you cut/rip the cabinets out. <br> </p></div>Then surface mount the new 3/4 trunk pipe. Pipe friction is killing you. Keep the trunk as 3/4 or 1 inch until you reach the riser pipes that go off to individual rooms.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/401000" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=401000');">jjoshua</a>:</said><p>Where and when are you seeing low volume?<br> </p></div>Pressure/volume stays the same no matter what we do. Even with 2 showers going it's the same as just the kitchen sink running. It's not horrible if you install low flow stuff but still sub-par on the best day. It takes 1 minute 40 seconds to fill up the humidifier container. It use to take ~60 seconds at the old place. I believe the contain is like 3 gallons. Just looking to improve that from 1 minute 40 seconds to as close to 60 seconds as I can. If I could boost the water by even 30% that would be perfect.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1003137" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1003137');">garys_2k</a>:</said><p>Yes, a booster pump and tank would probably help, but it'd likely be simpler and less expensive to just replace that 1/2" main (which is way under-sized) with 3/4 or 1". PEX isn't expensive and is easy enough to DIY.<br> </p></div>As I said that's not possible. It's a fully finished basement and there is built in cabinets around the main with no access to replace unless you cut/rip the cabinets out. <br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jjoshua posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p>Just stumbled onto a pressure tank manufactures site. You can use a tank without a pump as well. The cities pressure fills the tank. Given the pressure is like 55ish psi from the city that might be a possibility as well. <br><br>That said I called a plumber to come out and look at it tonight.<br> </p></div>That only makes sense if you don't have a constant pressure source.  You do.<br><br>It would only help in conjunction with a pressure booster pump.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1833617" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1833617');">Draiman</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/401000" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=401000');">jjoshua</a>:</said><p>You have normal water pressure.  What's the actual problem?<br> </p></div>Volume is the issue but it seems you need to increase pressure to increase volume. Most of the stuff I see online says you want around 70 psi so being at 50ish means there's room for improvement.<br> </p></div>What is their reasoning for the 70 psi? Nobody on a well system has that kind of pressure. I do just fine with my 50 psi. I used to have 55 psi but my pump is wearing so I had to lower the pressure switch.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Draiman posted : Just stumbled onto a pressure tank manufactures site. You can use a tank without a pump as well. The cities pressure fills the tank. Given the pressure is like 55ish psi from the city that might be a possibility as well. <br><br>That said I called a plumber to come out and look at it tonight.<br><small>--<br>IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Jack_in_VA posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/811675" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=811675');">cdru</a>:</said><p>The pressure tank and pump would only help for small uses of water.  How much a small use would be is going to vary based on the pressure tank size.  A shower for instance is likely to go through that capacity for modest sized tanks quickly and then you're right back to where you started.<br> </p></div>The pressure and volume would be dependent on the capacity of the pump not the pressure tank. It would be no different than a well pump set up. The tank is just to keep the pump from cutting on every time water is drawn dropping the pressure If the pump is sized right you can pull all the water you want at the pressure you want.]]></description>
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