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Re: [BC] TELUS High Speed Turbo 25 Usage being reduced 50% My bad. Not that this will make any difference but what Telus needs to realize is that caps have proven to have minimal effect on congestion. They're expanding too fast for their infrastructure to handle but this will only help ease congestion if it drives customers away.
»The 'Bandwidth Hog' is a Myth
I for one am going to take a long, hard look at getting away from this horrendous Actiontec. |
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I have three questions for Symtex.
Does Telus guarantee that every Optik subscriber on the 3HD/1SD profile can watch 3HD channels 24/7?
Is the bitrate for one HD channel 5.5 or so mbps?
How much traffic is being generated per month by watching all 3 HD channels 24/7? |
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But yeah, how many people leave their TV on in the background while doing other stuff? |
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Symtex
join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:15 | reply to Arthur Dent
said by Arthur Dent:I have three questions for Symtex.
Does Telus guarantee that every Optik subscriber on the 3HD/1SD profile can watch 3HD channels 24/7?
Is the bitrate for one HD channel 5.5 or so mbps?
How much traffic is being generated per month by watching all 3 HD channels 24/7?
I believe only the HSIA bandwidth is calculate. The OptikTV stream are not part of the calculcation for bandwidth cap.
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1 edit | said by Symtex:said by Arthur Dent:I have three questions for Symtex.
Does Telus guarantee that every Optik subscriber on the 3HD/1SD profile can watch 3HD channels 24/7?
Is the bitrate for one HD channel 5.5 or so mbps?
How much traffic is being generated per month by watching all 3 HD channels 24/7?
I believe only the HSIA bandwidth is calculate. The OptikTV stream are not part of the calculcation for bandwidth cap. Of course not. So, the 6 terabytes or so of TV that one Optik subscriber can consume for a month can be had for 40 dollars (base package), but the 250 Gigs of Internet (that is 24 times less) costs 60 to 75 dollars.
So, apparently the TV traffic is dirt cheap and there are no bottlenecks and congestions with it. And since it is essentially the same thing and uses the same resources as the Internet traffic, I am glad we finally put an end to the hypothesis that Internet is more of a burden for Telus' network, calling for 24 times lower Internet bandwidth caps at substantially higher absolute prices. |
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Symtex
join:2005-04-06
Burnaby, BC
kudos:15 | said by Arthur Dent:said by Symtex:said by Arthur Dent:I have three questions for Symtex.
Does Telus guarantee that every Optik subscriber on the 3HD/1SD profile can watch 3HD channels 24/7?
Is the bitrate for one HD channel 5.5 or so mbps?
How much traffic is being generated per month by watching all 3 HD channels 24/7?
I believe only the HSIA bandwidth is calculate. The OptikTV stream are not part of the calculcation for bandwidth cap. Of course not. So, the 6 terabytes or so of TV that one Optik subscriber can consume for a month can be had for 40 dollars (base package), but the 250 Gigs (that is 24 times less) costs 60 to 75 dollars. So, apparently the TV traffic is dirt cheap and there are no bottlenecks and congestions with it. And since it is essentially the same thing and uses the same resources as the Internet traffic, I am glad we finally put an end to the hypothesis that Internet is more of a burden for Telus' network, calling for 24 times lower bandwith caps and higher prices. You are seeing it the wrong way. TELUS is taking a hit on bandwidth for OptikTV because its the cost of doing business. We can't tell an user, you can't watch a channel you are paying for because you went over the bandwidth cap. that is ridiculous.
The TV space is a different animal than HSIA space. You cannot compare the two.
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@d-infinitum.com.mx | Another thing to remember is that the Optik data stream never goes out into the internet. It is run on internal TELUS networks which never hit the internet on-ramp. |
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Ikarasu
join:2004-01-09
Port Coquitlam, BC | reply to anhloc
said by anhloc:$30 for both? Wonder who the L/R agent was who gave you that deal; I'd like to talk with them.
It's actually pretty easy. It's obviously for new subscribers only...or as long as the service has been canceled for at least 6 (Maybe 3?) Months.
Look on Redflagdeals - Theres a Telus phone rep on there. I was offered 15M internet + Telus TV and 2 PVR rentals, And a $100 service credit for $20 a month, or 25M + the rentals for $30 a month.
So 1 year of service is $360 - $100, $260. I'm essentially paying $21 a month... + whatever taxes / fees telus imposes on me. Locked in rate for 1 year, and was told after a year to call her back.
Is it cheap? Yes, But if I can only download 250 GB a month... the service is useless to me. I'm a downloader, I dont use the internet much besides downloading/Watching videos. I can hit 250 GB in a day and a half if I tried...
I do probably 300 GB a month on average, sometimes lower. Then some months, when I decide to tinker with video editing, like this month... I'm at 60 GB a day for the past week.
Not to mention I'm pretty respectful about it - I have my bandwidth set to d/l between 11 PM and 12 AM. So I'm not congesting anyone, I'm not costing Telus much/if anything at all...
I'd gladly pay $70-80 a month for 25M internet, if it was unlimited. Which is why as soon as I'm limited... I'm ditching my contract, and switching over to Teksavvy. I'll be paying tripple what I do right now, for the same service... with the caveat that I don't have to worry about going over my bandwidth. limit.
Say I go 20 GB over every month only... and get charged $20 extra. I'd still rather pay the extra $50 a month for an unlimited connection, Not just for peace of mind... but because Teksavvy decided to give the option for unlimited, because they're all about customer service / And they want an open, unrestricted internet. Well worth the extra money, IMO. |
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Looks like most people don't know about »openmedia.ca . Been fighting since last election about the UBB and getting CRTC to do something about these price gouging monopolies. Basic internet to the cell phones. TPP , ITU and many more intrusive things |
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GardenerPremium
join:2006-10-19
Burnaby, BC Reviews:
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In a year with Optik High Speed Turbo, the monthly rate has risen from $49 to $52 and now the allowed usage has been halved. Do the math - the per-byte cost has risen 112%. Telus bean counters must be congratulating themselves, unless they are too busy bandaging the executives who, in my opinion, have shot themselves in the foot.
I have recommended Optik to many friends and clients. Not any more, at least not until someone gives me a compelling reason to do so. I will recommend keeping e-mail portable and options open. |
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said by Symtex:You are seeing it the wrong way. TELUS is taking a hit on bandwidth for OptikTV because its the cost of doing business. We can't tell an user, you can't watch a channel you are paying for because you went over the bandwidth cap. that is ridiculous.
So, unlimited usage for TV traffic is doable and done - putting caps is "ridiculous", but putting ridiculous, 24 times lower caps on the much smaller and expensive Internet traffic is OK?
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The TV space is a different animal than HSIA space. You cannot compare the two.
Not IP based maybe? Care to explain how the Optik TV abundant and cheap bitstream is different from the limited and insanely more expensive (in terms of monthly fee and bandwidth allocation by Telus) Netflix stream? |
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 JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
kudos:10 | uh... optik bandwidth is internal and internet (netflix) is external?
note: I'm not commenting on the overall situation |
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I understand the argument in this thread.
The only real differences between the distribution of the bandwidth from tv and internet services is the connection to the internet itself? They both use the same ports, co's, lines, etc? So the only real difference is that Telus probably pays bulk bandwidth for internet. Maybe a penny or two per gig? For math I'll average that at 1.5 cents which is 1.50 for 100 gigs? 7.50 for for 500... Even it it's 2 cents/gig that'd be $10 bux for 500 gigs.
IE the internet rates are pretty high compared to basic tv rates, and they pretty much use the same disitrubtion systems. The bulk bandwidth is an added charge, but really isn't that much. Telus maybe saves 5 bux a month cutting the cap in two? If they do enforce it, I would think like most other isp's it's to protect their TV services by limited bandwidth that can be used for internet video? |
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Kruisey
join:2006-12-30
Vancouver, BC | Can you blame them?
I bet Shaw,Bell, and Roger feel the same way to protect their TV services. |
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Re: [BC] TELUS High Speed Turbo 25 Usage being reduced 50% said by Arthur Dent:Not IP based maybe? Care to explain how the Optik TV abundant and cheap bitstream is different from the limited and insanely more expensive (in terms of monthly fee and bandwidth allocation by Telus) Netflix stream?
Optik is Unicast IP traffic for the first 30 secs and Multicast IP after that. So if 10 people on a DSLAM are watching a channel, in theory it is sent once and replicated to each of the subscribers to that multicast group (channel) and not ten times like an Optik On Demand (which has to be unicast) or Netflix stream.
Netflix/other internet traffic incur peering charges which as you noted are not that much. Considering only 5% of users are using most of the traffic that's not a lot of savings on peering fees.
So really it comes down to locking people into overpriced TV subscriptions for a bunch of rerun/reality crap. |
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Kruisey
join:2006-12-30
Vancouver, BC | So now I know when watching 'Dancing with the Stars' why they put up the caption'Live'
I suppose its because they don't wont us to think it is a bunch of rerun/ reality crap as you put it ? |
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1 edit | Why are you so apologetic for a large company protecting their interest in an outdated business model? Did you accidentally run over the CEO's dog?
Tell me, do you watch 95% of the shows on there? The vast majority of it is the same thing on every channel, but you're forced into bundling all this crap that you have absolutely no interest in to get the few shows that you do watch.
Take National Geographic as an example. Here is what they say about their channel:
»natgeotv.com/ca/about-us
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About the Network:
National Geographic Channel is Canada's only 24-hour source of entertaining information about the exotic, natural world we live in.
Exclusive programming events expose viewers to the world's leading adventurers, explorers, scientists, environmentalists, filmmakers and renowned photographers.
And here is what is actually on:
»natgeotv.com/ca/listings/ngc
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Morning
8:00am
Battle Castle: Conwy Castle
9:00am
Canadian Pickers: Guys & Gas
10:00am
William Shatner's Weird or What?: Parallel Worlds
11:00am
Battle Castle: Conwy Castle
Afternoon
12:00pm
The Dog Whisperer: The Dog Whisperer VI
1:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Alien Cowboys
2:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Abducted in Arizona
3:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Game of Drones
4:00pm
Alaska State Troopers: Armed and Dangerous
5:00pm
The Dog Whisperer: The Dog Whisperer VI
6:00pm
Canadian Pickers: Guys & Gas
Primetime
7:00pm
William Shatner's Weird or What?: Parallel Worlds
8:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Alien Cowboys
9:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Abducted in Arizona
10:00pm
Chasing UFO's: Game of Drones
Late Evening
11:00pm
William Shatner's Weird or What?: Parallel Worlds
12:00am
Chasing UFO's: Alien Cowboys
1:00am
Chasing UFO's: Abducted in Arizona
2:00am
Chasing UFO's: Game of Drones
3:00am
The Dog Whisperer: The Dog Whisperer VI
4:00am
Alaska State Troopers: Armed and Dangerous
5:00am
Ice Pilots NWT: Don't Muck with Chuck
6:00am
Battle Castle: Conwy Castle
7:00am
The Re-Inventors: Earth Quake Detector
7:30am
The Re-Inventors: Battering Ram
Now please tell me what the hell UFO, Auction shows, Cops and the Dog Whisperer have to do with National Geographic. The same goes for basically every other channel out there.
Also, incase you hadn't noticed, yes Dancing with the Stars is another cheap to produce, filler reality show that's easier than producing quality content. |
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@Symntex - "I guess TELUS wants to put some measure in place to discourage heavy user (the torrent kind) to limit their activities."
Really?
You really work for TELUS?
Well if your above statement is true, then please tell us why TELUS is punishing High Speed Lite customers by reducing them from their current meagre 30 GB/month download/upload usage down to a measly 15 GB/month download/upload usage starting on February 1st. - a 50% reduction in usage?
»telus.com/content/help/internet-···rnet-faq
Your statement is nonsense.
If you actually do work for TELUS then why would you say this when Telus senior communications manager Shawn Hall already made it clear yesterday to The Huffington Post that TELUS bandwidth caps are high enough that even the heaviest bandwidth users "have more than enough"? |
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The bottom line is file a complaint with the CCTS, and also call Telus ask for the loyalty and retention department and demand compensation for degrade of service you will be getting for the same price. If you cause enough of an issue they might do something for you. |
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