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Jack_in_VA
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reply to sk1939

Re: Fubar stuff.

Looks like to me the POCO needs to do some repairs. The exact same thing almost burned my friends house down.



cowspotter

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reply to nunya

Only if the POCO is responsible for the meter pan, which is not universal. I know VA makes it the responsibility of the POCO but I don't believe it's that way everywhere.


sk1939
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Customers responsibility in MD and DC.



Jack_in_VA
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POCO in Virginia as it should be. That way they have complete control right to the house.



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Looks like some of these are beyond repair. Just wait a few months and the building will ignite and nature will take its natural course ... then come back and do it right.
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dosdoxies
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reply to sk1939

said by sk1939:

Customers responsibility in MD and DC.

And PA.


Jack_in_VA
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Unnecessary expense, problems and liability for the homeowne. Of course I guess the local electricians don't care for it.


sk1939
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said by Jack_in_VA:

Unnecessary expense, problems and liability for the homeowne. Of course I guess the local electricians don't care for it.



Most places say that the utilities responsibility ends at the weather-head.


Jack_in_VA
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said by sk1939:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Unnecessary expense, problems and liability for the homeowne. Of course I guess the local electricians don't care for it.



Most places say that the utilities responsibility ends at the weather-head.

Most places? or just where you are? It would be interesting to see a list of POCO's and states requirements. From what I've seen so far it's the North East that the utilities stick the customer with that expense and liability.

Electricity is no different then cable or phone that deliver their product "to the customers house" and provide the interface for the customer to connect to.

The POCO here providing the service to the meter base is consistent with acceptable provider service.


alkizmo

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Pierrefonds, QC
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said by Jack_in_VA:

The POCO here providing the service to the meter base is consistent with acceptable provider service.

Does the POCO install the weatherhead itself, or the meter base?

Here (Quebec), they don't. And the meter is "rented"

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06

said by alkizmo:

said by Jack_in_VA:

The POCO here providing the service to the meter base is consistent with acceptable provider service.

Does the POCO install the weatherhead itself, or the meter base?

Here (Quebec), they don't. And the meter is "rented"

crikey here in quebec the customer also provides the wire to the pole!


Jack_in_VA
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reply to alkizmo

said by alkizmo:

said by Jack_in_VA:

The POCO here providing the service to the meter base is consistent with acceptable provider service.

Does the POCO install the weatherhead itself, or the meter base?

Here (Quebec), they don't. And the meter is "rented"

They provide everything including the meter base and meter. Customer only has to connect to the load side.

telco_mtl

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wow thats a nice deal, up here if you are disconected because of a problem with your service, hydro cuts the drop at the pole and on the building "as high as the guy can reach" if you want to get re connected a sparky will provide a new triplex long enough to get to the pole... for a fee!


sk1939
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reply to Jack_in_VA

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by sk1939:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Unnecessary expense, problems and liability for the homeowne. Of course I guess the local electricians don't care for it.



Most places say that the utilities responsibility ends at the weather-head.

Most places? or just where you are? It would be interesting to see a list of POCO's and states requirements. From what I've seen so far it's the North East that the utilities stick the customer with that expense and liability.

Electricity is no different then cable or phone that deliver their product "to the customers house" and provide the interface for the customer to connect to.

Phones here end at the demarc as well, which is generally that box on the outside of your house which is standard.

Most places, because I know this is the case in San Fran, a few parts of Illinois, quite a bit of the DC area, PA, NY, and NJ. Mostly places that have power from an actual company like PP&L, ComEd, ConEd, Pepco, BG&E, rather than a local util.


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reply to Jack_in_VA

Here in Iowa I pay for everything to the pole for underground. Overhead the utility pays to the weather head. Everything else is customer provided.



Jack_in_VA
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NM


sk1939
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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by sk1939:

Phones here end at the demarc as well, which is generally that box on the outside of your house which is standard.

Most places, because I know this is the case in San Fran, a few parts of Illinois, quite a bit of the DC area, PA, NY, and NJ. Mostly places that have power from an actual company like PP&L, ComEd, ConEd, Pepco, BG&E, rather than a local util.

That doesn't indicate a "vast majority". Why do some of you go into a "tizzy" because our utility Dominion Resources here in Virginia doesn't gouge us? Jealously? Every time this issue comes up it's the same thing. Apparently you folks want to pay for all this is the only thing I can figure.

Are you trying to tell me that Dominion Virginia Power is nothing more than a local utility company?

If so then ComeEd, Pepco, BG&E are also only players in the parts of states they serve.

Commonwealth Edison (commonly known as ComEd) is the largest electric utility in Illinois, serving the Chicago and Northern Illinois area. The service territory roughly borders in Iroquois County to the south, the Wisconsin border to the north, the Iowa border to the west, and the Indiana border to the east.

For more than 100 years, Commonwealth Edison has been the primary electric delivery services company for Northern Illinois. ComEd provides electric service to more than 3.7 million customers across Northern Illinois.

Now I would classify ComEd a local regional utility with only 3 million customers.

Dominion Resources (D) is an electric and natural gas utility. Dominion Resources has approximately 26,500 megawatts (MW) of electrical generating capacity, enough to power around 20 million homes.

As the owner of the nation's largest underground natural gas storage system, Dominion also delivers natural gas to retail customers in eleven states.

»www.wikinvest.com/stock/Dominion···_%28D%29

You probably get your natural gas from Dominion Resources.

Simply because you act surprised when you find out it's not the norm for a lot of the rest of the country. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just the way it is and not the norm.


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Simply because you act surprised when you find out it's not the norm for a lot of the rest of the country. I'm not saying it's bad, it's just the way it is and not the norm.

Why would I be even mildly surprised by your unsubstantiated statements? You have offered no proof what so ever other than your "opinion".

I'm not saying your having to pay is bad given the responses by some indicating they are more than happy and willing to pay these costs. I would have thought the electricians would be the ones benefiting from the customer having to pay for it.

That's just the way it is.

sk1939
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Every article and book I've read have stated that the utility is not responsible past the splice point for overhead lines. Having had real estate in all the places I've mentioned, I am familiar with what the utilities have said they will cover for upgrades, storm damage, etc.

Must be nice to live down by Newport News there, since NOVA is Pepco territory still.



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I've got a few "Kwality Werkmunship" beauties to add. This mess was mounted INSIDE the last tank in our low pressure dosing septic system. This tank has a submersible pump that sends liquids to the drain field once the tank has filled to a level that trips the float switch.

Code says that there must be an alarm that sounds in the event that the level in the tank rises too high. So the genius installers put an outlet inside the tank, plugged in the power-pack for the alarm and left the alarm buzzer tie-wrapped to the plumbing in the tank. Words fail me...

I believe they were trying to pass a law here to require all drain field repairs to retrofit a low pressure dosing system. I know it encountered a lot of resistance, I sure don't want anything do with it.
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AVD
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reply to nunya

Re: Fubar stuff.

MORE PICTURES ... LESS TALKING



alkizmo

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grobinette
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reply to AVD

said by AVD:

MORE PICTURES ... LESS TALKING

Best advice I've read in this thread.

sk1939
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How does that second plug even stay in place?


nunya
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Customer didn't want to fix. Wanted me to sign off saying it was OK.

And two of those are AL cables.

Zinsco. Failed to trip. $300,000.00 in damage

Concealed splices are a no-no. This one burned open.

Who the f*** thought this was OK?

CABLE GUY! OOPS.

No.

FPE Piece of shit. Jam packed. Customer wanted a new lid b/c the old one wouldn't go on any more.

Quality crafstmanship at an unnamed home improvement store. Our lights never stay on.
  
More.

sk1939
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said by nunya:

More.

That's just really scary.

I've seen those type of connections elsewhere (the home improvement store ones). What are they called?


fifty nine

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Sussex, NJ
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reply to nunya

I wish those pictures weren't so small. Looks like some real gems there.