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texastown

join:2008-04-25
Plano, TX
reply to Mac973

Re: Verizon to use cameras/microphones to monitor us for ads?

I disagree that this is the same as Facebook and Google, as obnoxious as their behavior is as well. This is something inside our homes, on all the time. You say they will need permission, how many times have companies "needed permission" but "accidently" activated things without the necessary permission.

All these various invasions of privacy are wrong. Adding another large eye on us isn't a positive, so defending it with other examples of the behavior isn't a defense, it's an excuse for invading our lives and it's wrong.


JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4

said by texastown:

I disagree that this is the same as Facebook and Google, as obnoxious as their behavior is as well. This is something inside our homes, on all the time. You say they will need permission, how many times have companies "needed permission" but "accidently" activated things without the necessary permission.

All these various invasions of privacy are wrong. Adding another large eye on us isn't a positive, so defending it with other examples of the behavior isn't a defense, it's an excuse for invading our lives and it's wrong.

And what would happen if a company accidentally activated such a feature? What could they do with the information? Target you with ads. Again, look at the ramifications of such a move. If the government were to do that, that would be one thing - they could target you for real, but a company doing such a thing would have what power over you?

Besides, if a company is neglegent and 'accidentally' turns on such a feature as a matter of course, you have a recourse. You can sue them.

This reminds me of how up in arms people got when they found out that TiVo was storing up their DVRing behavior (came as a surprise to alot of people to find out that that wardrobe malfunction was, until that time, the most rewound thing that TiVo ever recorded, which got many to ask: what do you mean they're monitoring what I'm doing with my DVR). Did the TiVo storm-troopers come into the houses of the afflicted, forcing them to do anything? Of course not. Companies have no authority over you to do anything. Yes, they can make your life miserable in some respect if they're particularly negligent, but again as a consumer, as a citizen, you have recourse against that. These companies don't make money by creeping people out. They make money by providing you with a good or service you want or need. That's it. It's a mutual arrangement. And as with any such arrangement, when one side doesn't like the deal, they're free to walk away.

texastown

join:2008-04-25
Plano, TX

JPL, you write well and are often an apologist for corporate conduct, whatever that may be at the moment.

You may be comfortable with the continuously escalating invasion of our privacy by corporations and the government. That is your privilege.

I find it both intrusive and as it spreads and gets more accepted, disturbing.

Believe that no one will use any of this information for anything other than ads if it makes you comfortable. The truth is, it will be used as the "collectors" want. Whatever that may be, and I don't like it.


JPL
Premium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:4

said by texastown:

JPL, you write well and are often an apologist for corporate conduct, whatever that may be at the moment.

You may be comfortable with the continuously escalating invasion of our privacy by corporations and the government. That is your privilege.

I find it both intrusive and as it spreads and gets more accepted, disturbing.

Believe that no one will use any of this information for anything other than ads if it makes you comfortable. The truth is, it will be used as the "collectors" want. Whatever that may be, and I don't like it.

You're misreading part of what I wrote. I don't like invasion by the government - as I was abundantly clear about in my postings. Because government can engage in coersive behavior. What's more they have things like militaries and law enforcement that can take away your liberty. Private companies are a different entity altogether. The are private entities that are treated, per the law, as individuals. You have recourse against them. The data that they gather could be used for no purpose directed against you. What in the world could Verizon do if they did take a picture of you sleeping on the couch? It's on par with having your neighbor look in your window. Yeah, it's creepy, but if I found my neighbor doing that, without my permission, I would have recourse. Same thing with a company like Verizon.

I'm not being a corporate apologist. I just think way too many people attribute things to companies that aren't based in reality. Companies aren't angels... but they're not devils either. Sometimes some step over the line... just like individuals do. And when they do, you have legal recourse against them. Especially if they were acting with intent.

I guess I don't understand the gnashing of teeth over a system that doesn't even exist. You're engaging in wild conjecture on what such a system could/would entail - but such a system doesn't even exist.

And if such a system were created, and you were really that concerned about what Verizon was engaging in, then drop them. That's what I mean by all of this. With the government, you have no choice. You can't just pick a new government if you don't like what this one is doing. But with a private enterprise, you get to decide whether you do business with them or not. You make it sound like Verizon will send their goons into your house, and force you to sign up for their service.