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Telco

join:2008-12-19
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reply to music4praise

Re: Wow, I can't see this being abused...

said by music4praise:

What advanced nations are you talking about? And what, specifically not generally, makes them advanced in this case?

Western Europe, Scandinavian countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand etc etc etc.

Their quality of life, modern infrastructure, low crime rates, robust economies, low rates of poverty and so forth make them advanced.


clone

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Portage, IN
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So, let me get this straight, these countries are more "advanced" than the United States because they have allowed the police state in?

*chuckles at your naivete*

I'd rather have liberty in a hellhole than a utopian police state, thank you very much.


sk1939
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reply to Telco

said by Telco:

said by music4praise:

What advanced nations are you talking about? And what, specifically not generally, makes them advanced in this case?

Western Europe, Scandinavian countries, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand etc etc etc.

Their quality of life, modern infrastructure, low crime rates, robust economies, low rates of poverty and so forth make them advanced.

Yes, because the decades running recession, cultural tendency to be conformist, and strict laws on owning anything more deadly than a steak knife have nothing to do with that (at least in the case of Japan).

As far as poverty goes, you must be joking, Western Europe has more people on welfare per capita than the United States. In addition Western Europe is facing the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression, and many of the Western European nations are facing stagnant economies and the risk of defaulting on their loans.

Spain: Population 47,190,493
Unemployed Over 5,000,000 (9.5%)
Population living below the poverty line: 19.8%

United States: Population 311,591,917
Unemployed Around 24,600,000 (7.9%)
Population living below the poverty line: 15%

Japan: Population living below the poverty line: 16%
Unemployed: 4.2%
Germany: Population living below the poverty line: 15.5%
Unemployed 5.4%

Those countries aren't the utopias the media and you believe them to be.


TimesRev

@optonline.net
reply to Telco

I've lived in the UK, Japan, and spent significant time in over 20 other countrys.

"Telco" is simply blinded by anti-American bias. The grass is not always greener on the other side.

First of all, most of Western Europe is suffering from terrible economic performance, with enormous unemploymnet rates. The UK, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and most other countrys on his list are economic basket cases. Japan has been in trouble for over a decade. Scandanvian countries are always cited by liberals as model countries, yet they ignore the fact that these populations are miniscule. The population of all the Scandanavian countrys combined do not equal that of a single large US city. They are also culturally homogenous, which makes establishing and agreeing on societal norms of behaviour much easier. Scandanavian countrys also benefit from the enormous revenues generated by selling off natural resources, especially oil, but also fish, timber, and minerals.

Most American's would be appalled at some of the conditions average Europeans have to contend with. There's plenty to like in Europe, but it's not the fantasyland some like to portray.