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jmck
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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Re: Copyright Law Changes: VPN & Other Experiences

said by motoracer See Profile
If no logs are kept, how do you know which user downloaded the data in question?

I only have a dozen users so i BCC them in an e-mail when I get a notice.

Sanek

join:2006-08-10
Kanata, ON
reply to The Mongoose

Anyone have any experience with purevpn? Mainly concerned about the speeds they can offer. Supposedly, I speed-tested at 50Mbit+ (with speedboost) to one of their Canadian VPN servers today. Don't know if that was a good test though.



cognizantt

join:2009-06-13
Montreal, QC
reply to Rastan

dang, i was just going to post that torrentfreak url.

take careful note of what each vpn provider says - while "public" policy is no logs, often that's just not true.

imho, using a north american vpn source would be a mistake.


DSMdude

join:2012-06-30
Kitchener, ON
reply to Sanek

I suppose I should have posed the question as "do the copyright hounds look into the users of usenet indexing sites". Yes I use newsgroups to which the downloads are encrypted but I get the posts through an indexing site to which Im a member of.


vikingisson

join:2010-01-22
Mississauga, ON

VPN and encrypted protocols only protect transit and/or change your geo location. The end points know where the other end is. The law will ask the endpoint where the other end is. If they know that some IP copied a particular file they follow the trail without seeing the data itself. If the end point(s) give up who the other end is then encryption is irrelevant. So your mileage may vary.


Bugblndr

join:2010-03-02
Burlington, ON

If the endpoint is in a country that doesn't follow copyright law, the law will not ask the endpoint anything at all and if they do, the endpoint will ignore them or tell them to pound sand.


vikingisson

join:2010-01-22
Mississauga, ON

That's right but that little detail needs to be clear before thinking that encryption alone will solve it.

Here's a tame scenario, Netflix knows that a U.S. IP is watching a movie. If my account and whatnot is valid then that's the end of it. They don't know that the IP is really a VPN endpoint with me somewhere else entirely. If they or someone with access decides that nobody is allowed to watch that movie then Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the VPN provider gives up my IP and now they all know.

So pick your end point wisely....


MaynardKrebs
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reply to jmck

said by jmck:

said by motoracer See Profile
If no logs are kept, how do you know which user downloaded the data in question?

I only have a dozen users so i BCC them in an e-mail when I get a notice.

Is *that* e-mail encrypted?
If not then DPI on your IP can read the mail, it's content, and scarf up the addressee's and put 2+2 together.

technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
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reply to The Mongoose

said by The Mongoose:

To kick things off: I've done some initial research and two options jumped out as potentially useful: BoxPN and PrivateInternetAcess. Anyone ever use one of these?

I use private internet access, and I can tell you on torrents with enough seeds their VPN can easily max out my connection, I did posted screen shots on dslr a while back. They also don't keep logs and I paid with bit coins, so zero paper trails, remember even cash "can" leave a paper trail...lol. They give you a shared IP and the canadian servers are dmca free zones for now and they are P2P friendly VPN; not all VPNs are like that.

Private internet access has servers in north york and toronto and they use Amanah Tech and Yesup Host respectively.

Also you can have 3 simultaneous connections with them, others don't let you do that.

Prices is very low, it cost me about 2.95 bitcoins for 1 yr of service.

The Mongoose

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reply to vikingisson

said by vikingisson:

That's right but that little detail needs to be clear before thinking that encryption alone will solve it.

Here's a tame scenario, Netflix knows that a U.S. IP is watching a movie. If my account and whatnot is valid then that's the end of it. They don't know that the IP is really a VPN endpoint with me somewhere else entirely. If they or someone with access decides that nobody is allowed to watch that movie then Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the VPN provider gives up my IP and now they all know.

So pick your end point wisely....

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

The Mongoose

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reply to technocar2

said by technocar2:

said by The Mongoose:

To kick things off: I've done some initial research and two options jumped out as potentially useful: BoxPN and PrivateInternetAcess. Anyone ever use one of these?

I use private internet access, and I can tell you on torrents with enough seeds their VPN can easily max out my connection, I did posted screen shots on dslr a while back. They also don't keep logs and I paid with bit coins, so zero paper trails, remember even cash "can" leave a paper trail...lol. They give you a shared IP and the canadian servers are dmca free zones for now and they are P2P friendly VPN; not all VPNs are like that.

Private internet access has servers in north york and toronto and they use Amanah Tech and Yesup Host respectively.

Also you can have 3 simultaneous connections with them, others don't let you do that.

Prices is very low, it cost me about 2.95 bitcoins for 1 yr of service.

Thanks tc2, very helpful.

vikingisson

join:2010-01-22
Mississauga, ON
reply to The Mongoose

said by The Mongoose:

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

This is why you have to know what your VPN provider will do. And if someday the law is such that they must keep logs then the game changes again. So the question needs to be asked of the provider. Me and the hordes of hillbilly lawyers of the internet can't say for sure.

to say it again, pick your endpoint wisely.

MaynardKrebs
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said by vikingisson:

to say it again, pick your endpoint wisely.

And re-check their IP retention policy frequently.

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to The Mongoose

my question would you then be considered safe if you use a encrypted server?
like a dedicated box...what the differance between that and a VPN seems like the vpn is just some shell ....

oh and would this buy why you need to all stop using ovh and kimsufi
as they are just going to hand over information anyhow...


funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to vikingisson

said by vikingisson:

said by The Mongoose:

And this is why people are so concerned about logging. If the VPN company truly keeps no logs, then after Netflix gives up the VPN IP, the copyright trolls come knocking, but the story changes. The VPN company, faced with a court order, can honestly say they have no idea who was using the offending IP at that time. Trail goes cold.

This is why you have to know what your VPN provider will do. And if someday the law is such that they must keep logs then the game changes again. So the question needs to be asked of the provider. Me and the hordes of hillbilly lawyers of the internet can't say for sure.

to say it again, pick your endpoint wisely.

and then they tell them by law you need to keep logs or you are an ilegal service, then what....ya see with these omnibus bills we inch closer to the net being useless just like they want.


d4m1r

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1) Go to Walmart and purchase a pre-paid Visa and load it up at checkout (pay by cash).

2) Go home and pick a VPN provider based in Russia preferably.

3) Pay for VPN server yearly or monthly with the pre-paid Visa. Some hosts require valid information, others don't. Or you can setup your own VPN with a cheap linux VPS.

4) ???

5) Profit
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qewey

join:2007-10-04
reply to The Mongoose

another thread in the broadband forum :
»VPN providers


vientito1

join:2009-01-09

VPN is an overkill. Socks proxy could do the job pretty well already. The key is to find a country which has not yet joined in onto the ACTA bandwagon ( quite a lot of choices indeed )


vikingisson

join:2010-01-22
Mississauga, ON

said by vientito1:

VPN is an overkill. Socks proxy could do the job pretty well already. The key is to find a country which has not yet joined in onto the ACTA bandwagon ( quite a lot of choices indeed )

I do that too but over a compressed SSH connection. Overkill on encryption is never a bad thing if it doesn't slow you down.

qewey

join:2007-10-04
reply to vientito1

said by vientito1:

VPN is an overkill. Socks proxy could do the job pretty well already. The key is to find a country which has not yet joined in onto the ACTA bandwagon ( quite a lot of choices indeed )

you need to include some links to help people (ie what is it and how to implement it ?)

ACTA members : »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Count···greement

A lot of VPN providers are based in those countries though (US, Canada, Sweden) so can you suggest some that are not ?

Bholevpn seems to be in malaysia
boxpn seems to be in turkey (which a candidate for EU and might join though)

but all of them have servers located in ACTA countries


NINJAIII

@207.164.32.x

Been using these guys. No issues to date.

»www.vpnbook.com/


technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
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said by NINJAIII :

Been using these guys. No issues to date.

»www.vpnbook.com/

Why you do even bother with posting useless stuff.
Quote from vpnbook "The only thing we log is the I.P address and time the connection was made." If they log, they are no good. Period!


NINJAIII

@207.164.32.x

If you actually read they log the IP for 3 days. This is obvious for any type of connection troubleshooting. They are also located outside of NA. Do you really think any paid VPN does not log the connection IP ? Get educated before you respond.


technocar2

join:2009-05-29
Brampton, ON
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said by NINJAIII :

If you actually read they log the IP for 3 days.

That's irrelevant...because if they log then they log, plain and simple.
Also there are many paid VPNs that have zero logs of any kind; those are the VPNs you should look for, not some random free vpn crap that you posted.