 Carpie join:2012-10-19 united state kudos:1 4 edits | Poll: Should every class be available on each faction? I'd guess this was probably a big discussion back in the day (before I started to play) and maybe it's too much D&D feelings on my side, but I'm of the opinion that there should not be any Horde paladins or priests and there should not be any Alliance warlocks or shamans. Warriors, sure. Druids, rogues, even mages, sure. But how can you have Alliance (bred of honor and purity) be dealing in the black arts and the Horde dealing in holy power?
Thoughts?
(And don't even get me started on gnome warriors. Other than mages and priests, the only thing gnomes are qualified for is to be librarians |
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 | I think everyone will agree with you on a philosophical level but not on a practical one. |
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 | reply to Carpie I still enjoy having the racial divide. It's nice to now have Pandas existing as a split loyalty race. During early WoW I said for years that I'd thought the same could be done for goblins.
One thing that I would prefer is that within your faction, all races could become all classes. Now that we're close to that point anyway, many of the gaps seem pointless. Even Pandaren DK's could be explained with some loose rationale along the lines of the Lich King's reach extending further than people had ever known or that current DK's are able to train those pandas who happen to have a darker-than-normal heart and mind.
Perhaps this is just because I've always wanted to be a gnomish druid with proportionally scaled animal forms. *shrug* -- Eumaeus, Guardian/Balance Druid GM - Lux ex Tenebris - Sargeras | Alliance [6/6] MSV [2/6] HoF |
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 | reply to Carpie I agree with Paladins/shamans, but Im a long time player and remember how it was before and I think it worked. Alliance warlocks always seemed odd to me but there are plenty of people that do evil to accomplish good so I can understand that.
I disagree with Horde not having priests though, Horde in and of themselves are not evil they have a different set of morals and a code of honor. I dont look at orcs in WoW the same as orcs in LotR.
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 | reply to Carpie I just remember way back in the day too many cases where having either a paladin or a shaman was far more beneficial than the other. If you left them faction specific by tried mitigate this by aiming to make both classes equal in performance and provided buffs/cooldowns, they'd nearly be the same class (voiding the purpose for having separate classes per faction to begin with).
If you take it from the perspective that the Light exists and any entity can chose to follow it, anyone could be a paladin. Even undead could choose dedicate their 'life' to the Light in hopes of being restored one day (as we must remember horde undead are not necessarily evil undead either).
Just my thoughts/perspective though! -- Eumaeus, Guardian/Balance Druid GM - Lux ex Tenebris - Sargeras | Alliance [6/6] MSV [2/6] HoF |
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| reply to Carpie Hell ya. I also think there should be a "tradesman" or a crafter toon. Meaning he could a few more professions then any other faction. Also, because he is a trader, he can get discounts on vendors. He can also trade with horde or alliance sides [meaning neutral]. Maybe do special missions that require him to slip special potions into water/food supplies, or mayhaps a potion in the foundries that causes weapons to be brittle and weak.
A spy, with the disguise of a trader/crafter. Why lug a big heavy sword, wear hot smelly armor, or wear fancy, prancy robes? Just grab a pack horse, you favorite traveling hat, and hit the road. Of course if your a dwarf or panda, food and drink are a must. And of course, you'd get to do the world tour of inns and bar maid bottom pinching. Hmm.. bummer this would never happen, it might actually be "fun". -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | reply to Skittles said by Skittles:I agree with Paladins/shamans, but Im a long time player and remember how it was before and I think it worked. Alliance warlocks always seemed odd to me but there are plenty of people that do evil to accomplish good so I can understand that.
I disagree with Horde not having priests though, Horde in and of themselves are not evil they have a different set of morals and a code of honor. I dont look at orcs in WoW the same as orcs in LotR.
/2 cents With the current Warcheif the Light should abandon the Orcs, and the horde with them, till a time that they can redeem themselves. |
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| reply to Eumaeus quote: Even Pandaren DK's could be explained with some loose rationale along the lines of the Lich King's reach extending further than people had ever known or that current DK's are able to train those pandas who happen to have a darker-than-normal heart and mind.
Maybe they are unable to break the sha of hate's grip on their hearts and minds? thus making them easy targets to the influence of the Lich King's power? -- Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | per WOW lore, pandas were not limited to Pandaria, just there were only a few outside of the mists after the sundering.
Thus before the sundering pandas could have died and been available to LK to rez. |
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 bTU join:2009-04-22 Aurora, CO | reply to Snakeoil Different Lich King now though. However, maybe the DK powers could something he bestows to champions of both factions he deems worthy or necessary. Kind of like warlocks, using dark powers to help your cause that you believe to be righteous. |
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 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:7 | reply to Carpie said by Carpie:how can you have Alliance (bred of honor and purity) be dealing in the black arts and the Horde dealing in holy power?
Thoughts? lol humans bred of honor and purity. lol -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | Per some less popular wow lore I read somewhere, warlocks are failed mages, or mages that gave up on some of their power in exchange for demon power. |
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 KrisnatharokCaveat EmptorPremium join:2009-02-11 Earth Orbit kudos:7 | reply to DarkLogix Why go the hard route of a life dedicated to disciplined training when you can just make a deal with a demon and wield as much power or more with ease?*
* Note: may require the consumption of your soul. -- If we lose this freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment, those who had the most to lose, did the least to prevent its happening. |
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 bTU join:2009-04-22 Aurora, CO | reply to DarkLogix Probably have to consult Ada on that one, but I started my lock back in TBC when you had to do quests to get each demon and buy books to train them. I seem to remember that they weren't failed mages, but it felt more like they drifted from the teachings set forth by the mages in Dalaran when it was in Eastern Kingdoms and were seduced by the much quicker access to great power that tapping demonic energies provided. Kind of like being seduced by the dark side of the force I guess, once you start down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny. |
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 | reply to Snakeoil Snake - I'm far from well educated on lore, but if I think that the Sha were not released and impacting the pandas during the era of Arthas as lich king and that the current lich king is self-restrained enough to not be a source of new DKs. |
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 JobbieKeep It SimplePremium join:2010-08-24 Mexico kudos:1 | reply to Krisnatharok said by Krisnatharok:said by Carpie:how can you have Alliance (bred of honor and purity) be dealing in the black arts and the Horde dealing in holy power?
Thoughts? lol humans bred of honor and purity. lol Man I didn't get to that part.
lol indeed. -- Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword. |
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 Josof join:2010-10-23 Virginia Beach, VA | reply to Carpie pallys should only be alliance only and shamans horde only. the only thing is that the devs should give shamans a tank spec.
but as said before its not practical from a gameplay standpoint. From a lore/rpg perspective, it would be cool to see faction specific classes. -- "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | reply to Eumaeus Wrong
The Sha are the remains of an old god that "died" long ago.
Its believed that Pandas developed to avoid "negative" emotion so they wouldn't empower the sha, but they were there.
However our coming to pandaria brought a ton of such negative emotion which awakened the Sha once again.
I'll have to look back at some stuff but 1. pandas had communications with the high elfs before the sundering. 2. fairly sure the old god that "died" did so long before the sundering 3. the one and only panda emperor moved pandaria away during the sundering.
so Panda learned to avoid negative emotion long long ago. |
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 JobbieKeep It SimplePremium join:2010-08-24 Mexico kudos:1 | reply to Josof said by Josof:pallys should only be alliance only and shamans horde only. the only thing is that the devs should give shamans a tank spec.
but as said before its not practical from a gameplay standpoint. From a lore/rpg perspective, it would be cool to see faction specific classes. I agree with this. Right now both factions get everything and even the buffs are shared by most classes.
"Bring the player not the class" was the premise but it has not been real on this expansion. -- Judge a man by the trials of his shield, not the empty reaping of his sword. |
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