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alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
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reply to Cho Baka

Re: The renovation continues ... today new 400 amp service!

said by telco_mtl:

Interesting, the 400 amp residential installs we usually see in these parts have a twin mast, sealed remote meter box feeding a single 400 amp switch that in turn feeds a bus duct that 2-3 breaker panels come off of, interesting to see how its done in other parts.

Commercial installations though have single mast with single meter.
It's probably just a "code" thing that we can't have single mast 400A in residential installations in Quebec. Maybe it's a run lenght thing.

said by Cho Baka:

When I was living in Japan, the service in the place I lived was 30 amps @ 100V.

Must have been rural Japan. I lived in Osaka for a year. While i don't know what we had, I know we could have 3-4 space heaters running at the same time. Hot water was electrical as well.

said by Cho Baka:

I can't begin to imagine the need for 400A.

Sometimes it's because of the house's livable sqf that puts it in the 400A requirement, not because there are enough appliances needing it.


Draiman
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join:2012-06-01
Kill Devil Hills, NC
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said by alkizmo:

said by Cho Baka:

I can't begin to imagine the need for 400A.

Sometimes it's because of the house's livable sqf that puts it in the 400A requirement, not because there are enough appliances needing it.

I wouldn't even want to take a guess at the size of that house!
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ropeguru
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join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA
said by Draiman:

said by alkizmo:

said by Cho Baka:

I can't begin to imagine the need for 400A.

Sometimes it's because of the house's livable sqf that puts it in the 400A requirement, not because there are enough appliances needing it.

I wouldn't even want to take a guess at the size of that house!

From OP:

The area added to the house is currently calculated as 1,800 on to a 3,200 sq ft house


IIIBradIII
Comm M-E-L Instr

join:2000-09-28
Greer, SC
I think he was referring to the size of house that would require 400A based on sq footage alone.


ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA
said by IIIBradIII:

I think he was referring to the size of house that would require 400A based on sq footage alone.

And I think that may be the case with the OP which is why I posted what I did. No where have I seen the OP mention that he needed due to demand.

Here is a post from 2010 for a 4900 sq foot home requiring 400 AMP service.

»400 amp single phase service wire size residential

1800 + 3200 = 5000 Sq ft


alkizmo

join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC
kudos:1
reply to Draiman
said by Draiman:

I wouldn't even want to take a guess at the size of that house!

I'm not sure on the math, but considering I see it's a proper "fall" weather at his place, he needs heating.
If he has electric heating, then that will push the total heating load over 200A over a certain number of SQFT.

Clients of mine "upgraded" their house from 2,500 sqft to 4,170 sqft. They had to go from 200A to 400A because of the electrical heating demand factor.

So yes, it's a big house now, but not HUGE.

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
reply to alkizmo
said by alkizmo:

said by telco_mtl:

Interesting, the 400 amp residential installs we usually see in these parts have a twin mast, sealed remote meter box feeding a single 400 amp switch that in turn feeds a bus duct that 2-3 breaker panels come off of, interesting to see how its done in other parts.

Commercial installations though have single mast with single meter.
It's probably just a "code" thing that we can't have single mast 400A in residential installations in Quebec. Maybe it's a run lenght thing.

Up here in quebec you rarely if ever see a 400 amp commercial install, once you get into that kind of power demand you usually jump straight to a 3 phase service. most strip malls and the like that have individual services for each storefront will normally only have a 200 amp connection (light the lights run the cash register) and heat with gas. You start seeing the 3 phase at the bigger service stations, restaurants and car dealers.

telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
reply to Draiman
said by Draiman:

said by alkizmo:

said by Cho Baka:

I can't begin to imagine the need for 400A.

Sometimes it's because of the house's livable sqf that puts it in the 400A requirement, not because there are enough appliances needing it.

I wouldn't even want to take a guess at the size of that house!

up here 400 amps is pretty common. We have cities that zone for "intergeneration" houses which are basically a 3-4 bedroom house with a bungalow hanging off the side. Since they dont want people buying these and using the bungalow as an income suite they wont let them be separately metered or heated. Since in quebec we are majoritarly heated with electricity a house this big on a single service needs a big entrance. One house i visited with a collegue had an electric forced air furnace heating a 4 bedroom house and a 3 bedroom bungalow attached, the furnace alone called for 150 amps. The bungalow had a 100 amp panel and the 4 bedroom a 200 amp panel. I have a feeling when it gets cold in the winter and that furnace fires up you will get a breeze from the disk on the meter!


pferrie3

join:2005-01-27
Boston, MA
said by telco_mtl:

up here 400 amps is pretty common. We have cities that zone for "intergeneration" houses which are basically a 3-4 bedroom house with a bungalow hanging off the side. Since they dont want people buying these and using the bungalow as an income suite they wont let them be separately metered or heated. Since in quebec we are majoritarly heated with electricity a house this big on a single service needs a big entrance. One house i visited with a collegue had an electric forced air furnace heating a 4 bedroom house and a 3 bedroom bungalow attached, the furnace alone called for 150 amps. The bungalow had a 100 amp panel and the 4 bedroom a 200 amp panel. I have a feeling when it gets cold in the winter and that furnace fires up you will get a breeze from the disk on the meter!

the disk would prob spin fast enough to be used as a table saw


Draiman
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reply to telco_mtl
I don't see how not allowing people to separate meters stops them from generating income on a bungalow. I'd just include electric in the month fee and rent it out anyways. That or I'd install a TED on the circuits that go to that bungalow and charge them for their usage each month.

»www.theenergydetective.com/
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telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
said by Draiman:

I don't see how not allowing people to separate meters stops them from generating income on a bungalow. I'd just include electric in the month fee and rent it out anyways. That or I'd install a TED on the circuits that go to that bungalow and charge them for their usage each month.

»www.theenergydetective.com/

its a deterant, the design of the houses in general is laid out as to complicate division, the 2 units are joined by a door in the basement, the door cannot have any locking device etc.


Draiman
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said by telco_mtl:

said by Draiman:

I don't see how not allowing people to separate meters stops them from generating income on a bungalow. I'd just include electric in the month fee and rent it out anyways. That or I'd install a TED on the circuits that go to that bungalow and charge them for their usage each month.

»www.theenergydetective.com/

its a deterant, the design of the houses in general is laid out as to complicate division, the 2 units are joined by a door in the basement, the door cannot have any locking device etc.

In Canada they can dictate how you control a door in your own house? That's insane!
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telco_mtl

join:2012-01-06
said by Draiman:

said by telco_mtl:

said by Draiman:

I don't see how not allowing people to separate meters stops them from generating income on a bungalow. I'd just include electric in the month fee and rent it out anyways. That or I'd install a TED on the circuits that go to that bungalow and charge them for their usage each month.

»www.theenergydetective.com/

its a deterant, the design of the houses in general is laid out as to complicate division, the 2 units are joined by a door in the basement, the door cannot have any locking device etc.

In Canada they can dictate how you control a door in your own house? That's insane!

municipal zoning rule since they are in areas zoned "bi generation"