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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:51:52 EDT

SparkChaser posted :

said by robbin:

Thanks for the links robbin . It will be interesting to see how they hold up vs the commercial types. I understand your concern over the light distribution. All the ones I've seen just have the bare LED die. I can't tell on one of the ones at Lowes if it has a lens or not.

I'll have to stop in and see if our local Lowes has them.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:42:19 EDT

robbin posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

No, I'm finding them for far less... I just wanted to find if anyone had tried them....

I only saw the first on display at Lowes a few weeks ago. Now they have several. Hard to find people with experience when the products are new to the market.

»www.lowes.com/pd_161409-33229-ES···cetInfo=

»www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?par···Id=PDIO1

Both of the above linked items are installed and working at the Lowes I regularly shop at. They come on instantly and appear to be quite bright. Past experience with LED lights would give me a concern of the beam pattern of the lights as what I have seen in the past was much more of a spot light as opposed to a flood light.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:04:01 EDT

SparkChaser posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

No, I'm finding them for far less... I just wanted to find if anyone had tried them....

By two, as posted, I'm mounting one on house, one on garage...

1+1=2

I came here for info... I got people who don't know....

I'm oviously being played with here.... Have fun on your own....

Why don't you give us a link to what you found then we would at least know as much as you.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:14:09 EDT

sk1939 posted : Your best bet would be finding the lights by themselves, then connecting them to a separate photoelectric eye or motion sensor if you can find them.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:44:14 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : No, I'm finding them for far less... I just wanted to find if anyone had tried them....

By two, as posted, I'm mounting one on house, one on garage...

1+1=2

I came here for info... I got people who don't know....

I'm oviously being played with here.... Have fun on your own....
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:55 EDT

garys_2k posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

That's what this whole thread has been about!!
I'm looking for a Waterproof 30W LED Motion Detect lights!!
!7W LED can't possibly match 50W LED.

So, you think it's reasonable to spend about $500 just for the lamps for a motion detector? How many hundreds of years of payback to you want to allow?

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:39:48 EDT

SparkChaser posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

That's what this whole thread has been about!!
I'm looking for a Waterproof 30W LED Motion Detect lights!!
!7W LED can't possibly match 50W LED.

that's why I brought it up. I think there is confusion as to what you want. As nunya points out 2 50W LEDs are a lot of light. If that's what you want you are probably looking a something very special.

If you are getting LEDs to save $$ for some thing that's only going to be on infrequently, I think you are looking at a long payback period.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:17:01 EDT

nunya posted : A 50W LED is about the same as 300W halogen. That's quite a lot of light for a motion detector.
Most motion detector fixtures use 2 x 90W halogen lamps.
If you are really looking for 5000 lumens from an LED motion detector, you are going to be looking at a specialty or custom fixture. Most likely, nobody on this forum is going to have the "first hand" experience you are looking for.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:20:55 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : That's what this whole thread has been about!!
I'm looking for a Waterproof 30W LED Motion Detect lights!!
!7W LED can't possibly match 50W LED.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:55:05 EDT

SparkChaser posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

But how can a 17W LED light compete with a 50W LED?

Are you getting equivalent power confused with LED power ?

I don't think your going to be finding a 50W LED that screws into one of those fixtures.

Here's a 50W »www.greenelectricalsupply.com/ma···odf34AFg
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:23:16 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : But how can a 17W LED light compete with a 50W LED?
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:50:47 EDT

nunya posted : Expect to pay about $50 minimum for an outdoor rated par38 LED lamp. You are probably better to look online or at a lighting / electrical supplier. I don't think Lowe's Depot carries outdoor rated par38 lamps at most stores.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:14:05 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : 17W???

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:47:02 EDT

sk1939 posted : The Phillips ones seem to be decent, but they are expensive.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:08:47 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : OK, I see it's shielded around the bulbs... guess I could put a rubber washer around the neck of the lamp to improve water resistance....
Now the lamps... I went to Sam's Club aqnd Lowe's and saw some LED Spotlamps, but again they weren't on so you could see them work, they were just sitting there, looking pretty in their boxes....
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:02:15 EDT

sk1939 posted : Reliably I've had it work to about 50 feet or so, but that is the farthest I can measure it. The claim is that it works out to about 100 feet. I have not tried it with LED spot lamps.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:58:02 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : Do you have history with this light? What is the maximum range the motion detector will work reliably? Have you tried it with LED spotlights, and if so, which model?

Thanks..
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:53:44 EDT

sk1939 posted : Try this fixture:

»www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25ecodZ···Id=10051

With LED bulbs of your choice.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:41:57 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : There are bears there (We're 2000' from the Smokey Mts. Natl. Park (Other side of Mountain) ... They have a tendancy to come down the mountain.... We DO want it to go off for animals, and its Another reason for the motion detector.

This was taken 1000' from our driveway
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:36:21 EDT

garys_2k posted :

said by Phasewolf:

How about a IR beam that when you break with the car will set off a relay and turn the lights on for a set amount of time?

I would look for something like that sense it can be set off with foot traffic also.

With the beam a couple of feet above the ground so skunks, cats, etc. won't set it off.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:03:18 EDT

Phasewolf posted : How about a IR beam that when you break with the car will set off a relay and turn the lights on for a set amount of time?

I would look for something like that sense it can be set off with foot traffic also.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:08:44 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : Silly me.... I posted here asking if anyone had results with a Waterproof 50W LED Motion Detect Security Light.... And got information for all sorts of things, OTHER than what I was asking for. I didn't think it was that complicated, really...

Since I posted, I contacted a few companies selling them, asking:
How it works in high humidity areas (Smokey Mountains); Questions on strange wiring color codes that I've seen on reviews, Realistic Motion Detector range; and overall reliability..... Questions that a prospective consumer might logically ask.... You know, kind of like what I asked here???

Believe it or not, I got two answers that they are NOT MADE for High Humidity areas! A Waterpoof enclosure Not intended on being used in High Humidity areas.... What a Selling Feature!

So I'm still looking, but letting some time go by.... Somehow what I'm looking and asking for isn't that complicated. I've got 3 different incandescent Motion Detect lights running in Illinois for over 10 years.... It seems a bit unusual that I can't find a decent review of an LED equivalent with high power.

Maybe time will improve the product..
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:56:10 EDT

IowaCowboy posted : I would just install a standard screw-in type security light and buy the LED bulbs separately. Much easier to troubleshoot and you are not out a ton of money if the fixture fails.

I installed a motion detector light on the back of my duplex a few years ago and I replaced the 75W incandescent bulbs with 38W LED bulbs that I got for $25 a piece that were cheap because of a utility rebate. I also got Sylvania LED bulbs (A19 shape) for $4.99 at the local supermarket because of an instant rebate from Northeast Utilities.

With the high utility costs in this part of the country, I have taken some drastic measures to cut energy usage.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:48:56 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by StillLearn:

said by Spensergig:

I think StillLearn replied to the wrong poster.

Don't think that. It's a DYI forum. To *twice* suggest in the same thread that a professional be contacted for yard lights made me think that something unusual was going on. It's not as if Jan was trying to plan DYI surgery.

Why would my suggesting a professional given the OP was not getting the information he needed because of his requirements be "something unusual going on"? Evidently Jan didn't have a problem so why are you trying to speak for him?

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:42:25 EDT

StillLearn posted :

said by Spensergig:

I think StillLearn replied to the wrong poster.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:05:51 EDT

Spensergig posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by StillLearn:

said by Jack_in_VA:

IMO what you need to do is contact companies experienced in providing what you need. You seem to have very specific requirements that companies providing the service can fulfill.

What are you up to? Do you do this kind of thing frequently?

Do what frequently? I'm just "suggesting" you contact companies who provides the service you need.

I think StillLearn replied to the wrong poster.

I read his(?) post as expanding on yours, wondering what Jan Janowski is really trying to accomplish.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 08:39:38 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by StillLearn:

said by Jack_in_VA:

IMO what you need to do is contact companies experienced in providing what you need. You seem to have very specific requirements that companies providing the service can fulfill.

What are you up to? Do you do this kind of thing frequently?

Do what frequently? I'm just "suggesting" you contact companies who provides the service you need.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:30:56 EDT

StillLearn posted :

said by Jack_in_VA:

IMO what you need to do is contact companies experienced in providing what you need. You seem to have very specific requirements that companies providing the service can fulfill.

What are you up to? Do you do this kind of thing frequently?

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:50:19 EDT

KrK posted : -nt-

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:03:34 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : Which do you have?

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:01:21 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

So... If anyone has real world experience on them.... Please post..

IMO what you need to do is contact companies experienced in providing what you need. You seem to have very specific requirements that companies providing the service can fulfill.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:57:21 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : Thanks for the info... Yes, Many Reviews I've seen have been poor, and that's why I asked for posts from owners.. To contradict this, my neighbors has had multiple Incandescent MD fixtures that have been in service for years, and he states as long as the implemented range of MD is less than the 'claimed' MD Range, it has been quite successful, for years.... His fixtures were Big Box purchases with the Incandescent lamps. So I know these things can work. I'm hopinng to Save Operational costs after the install (New Construction--House is not built yet)..

I'm hoping to Emulate what Neighbor has done: (If the MD Specs at 70' use it at 50') and by using 2 cover a larger area, and save operational $$ by going LED, as opposed to doing Mercury Vapor, Incandescent, or CFL.

But, as others have posted, I'm not finding stellar reviews of any unit, and some of the posts could be installation or operator errors. Since I've read good reviews on items here in the past, I thought I'd ask for your real works experiences.....

So... If anyone has real world experience on them.... Please post..
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 03:31:15 EDT

robbin posted : I saw one recently at one of the big boxes, don't remember which. It was installed and working. I'll look the next time I'm there -- probably next day or two. I didn't look at anything about them when I saw them last week so don't really have much info at present, except that they were pretty bright.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:19:23 EDT

nunya posted : They are pretty much all crap. The first recommendation I have is to not fixate on an LED fixture. Instead, find a fixture that suits your needs and buy appropriate LED lamps.
Quality lamps will most likely outlive the fixture by years.
I've decided to just start using RAB fixtures from the supply house. I don't feel they are too much better in quality than the crap at Lowe's Depot, but they can't be any worse.
I prefer not to buy MD fixtures online because of their overall poor quality. Buying at a local B&M place gives me somewhere to return them quickly.
These days, pretty much all MD lights behave the same when power is interrupted. They either come on and remain on until the next dusk/dawn trigger, or come on briefly and then go back to normal operation.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:51:44 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted : Perhaps you should consult an Outdoor lighting consultant or contractor for recommendations.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:39:09 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : No, No, No....

Long driveway, only want to have mot det occur at top, by house/garage...

My interest is in the LED Mot Det combinations... One for house, one for garage....

Anyone have one they'd recommend? That was the subject....
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:07:37 EDT

Jack_in_VA posted :

said by Jan Janowski:

Don't want that... Want Motion Detect, for driveway & outside of house coverage only.... So when car arrives, part of driveway lights up, as does walk from car to house or garage.

Put a photocell at the end of the driveway

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:52:29 EDT

alkizmo posted :

said by mattmag:

Then you should edit your topic to remove the word "security" and change it to "convenience".

Well they aren't called Convenience lights.

However, that "convenience" is not so convenient.
More often than not, the motion light will activate too late to make the driveway visible while pulling in.

It's not like it should turn on while you're still in the street, then it would be annoying.

I leave my lights on, I can see what I'm driving into.

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:49:30 EDT

mattmag posted :

Then you should edit your topic to remove the word "security" and change it to "convenience".

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:45:45 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : Don't want that... Want Motion Detect, for driveway & outside of house coverage only.... So when car arrives, part of driveway lights up, as does walk from car to house or garage.
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Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:28:08 EDT

alkizmo posted : Like mattmag says.

I put my outdoor flood lights on a light switch.
Soon I will replace the light switch with a programmable 7-day timer that knows the dusk/dawn time.

Light On = Don't go
Light turning on when already in action = let's hurry up

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:42:49 EDT

averagedude posted : I agree with mattmag on going to an electrical lighting supply house.

I offer this as a thought only....what about a two stage deterrent. What about a dusk to dawn light (possibly bug light) and then adding motion light. With some always on lighting you get some security vs total darkness luring the bad guys in close. With two stage there is an awareness that there is some lighting and the they get the big search lights if they get too close. Just a thought....

Re: Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:14:01 EDT

mattmag posted :

Just my 2-cents here---

From a true security standpoint, motion lights are not the best solution compared to always-on lighting. The overwhelming response from *actual burglars* when questioned about such things is that they avoid well-lit areas at all costs. I have personal experience with that. The motion-sensing version does not provide that initial reaction. and they are often able to be avoided if carefully approached.

That being said, a trip to your area electrical lighting supply house would be in order. Much better quality stuff than Lowes Depot etc, and you can talk to a real-live person which can actually answer questions about your concerns.

But again, keep them on---all the time.

Waterproof 50WLED Motion Detect Security Lighting

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 09:40:07 EDT

Jan Janowski posted : After a horrendous Sam's Club time-waster on GE Tracking LED securtiy lighting --two of them-- (Which would have been fine if they worked like the sample in the store did, instead of flashing continuously)

I thought I'd post here.... I'm looking for people who are using this product; are happy with it; and would recommend it to others.

Looking for 2 ~50 Watt LED Waterproof Motion Detect Lights.

One to be mounted on garage aimed at driveway and side of house, and other to be mounted on house aimed toward top of driveway and side of garage.... (Not directly across at each other, tripping the Light sensor so one or other would not come on.)
They will be powered from a system that tests it's backup generator once every 2 weeks, so it must automatically reset itself.

I'm looking for an honest 50' or better motion detect range, and even though they will be mounted under the roof eaves, decent waterpoof enclosures.... and good light output.

I've gone to big box stores, but not seen them in operation, just sitting there. I've searched and found many (Primarly China) sites selling these.... But again, just sitting there looking pretty...

I need some real world data, and that's why I post here, for a recommendation from someone who has one, has had it in service for weeks, and is happy with it...

Thanks for your input...
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