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jaykaykay
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Not new news, but still disturbing...

How to get targeted ads on your TV? Try a camera in your set-top box.
A set-top box could push ads based on what it sees and hears in your home.
by Casey Johnston - Dec 3 2012, 4:45pm MST

Intellectual Property122 Verizon has filed a patent for a DVR that can watch and listen to the goings-on in your living room. In the application, the company proposes to use the technology to serve targeted ads appropriate to whatever you’re doing in the, uh, privacy of your own home—fighting, cuddling, or hanging out with your cats.

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012···top-box/
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goalieskates
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I guess the first thing to do is gouge its little eyes and ears out ...


Blackbird
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reply to jaykaykay
said by jaykaykay:

... the company proposes to use the technology to serve targeted ads appropriate to whatever you’re doing in the, uh, privacy of your own home—fighting, cuddling, or hanging out with your cats. ...

Or serving targeted ads aimed directly at your cats. Which, all of us here (except the cats) would agree, is going entirely too far...
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Dude111
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reply to goalieskates

 

Ya got that right bud!


StuartMW
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Re: Not new news, but still disturbing...

/sarcasm on

I'm sure Verizon would never dream of capturing data and sending it back to their servers. And Bob wouldn't be able to access the data either.

/sarcasm off

George Orwell's 1984 (published in 1948) had TV's that could spy on you. Guess he was off by a few years.
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Dude111
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Im not surprised Stu that they are doing it now..... (They have been doing it to ppl in the USA for years)


StuartMW
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Well the difference, even with all the monitoring we have now, is that private conversations etc within ones residence have not been subject to monitoring so far--at least not without a warrant.

The problem with technology like this is twofold IMO.

1) People become accustomed to it just like they have with internet/phone monitoring. The "coolness factor" should not be discounted.

2) While video/audio might not be sent back to the provider with initial versions it will occur over time. The rationale for such a change might be technical but once in place it'll become the norm and it's "game over".

Also if this does become the norm all TV's will contain cameras and microphones.
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dave
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Re: Not new news, but still disturbing...

If it means I'll no longer hear about getting 5 suits for the price of 1 at Joseph A. Banks, it can't be all bad.


StuartMW
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Well totalitarian societies have some advantages. For example the trains run on time. And you don't get Joseph A. Banks ads.
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jaykaykay
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reply to dave
I will accept Joseph A. Bank more than having a condom ad sent to my your grandchildren just because they were snuggling together on the couch!


Blackbird
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reply to StuartMW
said by StuartMW:

Well totalitarian societies have some advantages. For example the trains run on time. ...

For the privileged few, who also have the necessary "travel papers" and the special credits needed to buy tickets...
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StuartMW
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quote:
We're all equal but some are more equal than others.

Animal Farm by George Orwell (1945)
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Kearnstd
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reply to jaykaykay
the patent office should reject these. They have no use other than invasion of privacy.

Naturally of course if ever exploited the devices with the monitoring will have it in the contract. in the 1pt font that you allow Verizon to monitor your room.
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dave
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said by Kearnstd:

the patent office should reject these. They have no use other than invasion of privacy.

Rejecting the patent does not stop use of the invention. It may encourage further use since others can now do the same without paying money to Verizon for a licence (and they can presumably consult the rejected patent application to get tips on how it's done).

lcnoble

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reply to jaykaykay
I still have not determined what is in this proposal that benefits the consumer, other than the reasoning that custom advertising is good for the consumer! Have we reached that reality?


StuartMW
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Well if you watch TV in a nice suit you may not get the Joseph A. Banks ads which might be of benefit (e.g. to dave See Profile). On the other hand perhaps they'd try and sell you more suits.

That said this is all about targeted advertising. Or putting it another way getting the most bang for your (advertising) bucks.

BTW Google (and others) already use targeted ads based on your location, web searches etc. Verizon just wants the same for TV.
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lcnoble

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reply to jaykaykay
I will get one for a bathroom TV and see what happens. This could be fun! Drying off with a towel could be interesting. And away we go!


StuartMW
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My guess is that you'll get ads like this one
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Kearnstd
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Does this mean if someone does a home invasion while you are watching TV and you blow the bastard away with your Colt 45. you will get an ad for ammo?

Oh as long as they do not partner with MS and have Clippy popup..

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said by Kearnstd:

Does this mean if someone does a home invasion while you are watching TV and you blow the bastard away with your Colt 45. you will get an ad for ammo?

Oh as long as they do not partner with MS and have Clippy popup..

"It appears you need to hide a body, would you like suggestions?"

Just be sure the camera picks up the perp actually threatening you... or else that same camera may get you penalized by the cops for unnecessary roughness. It may also serve to route you good trial lawyer ads in case they do.
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dandelion
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reply to jaykaykay
If they are as accurate as the internet where I get equal condom ads along with bras, geritol and sports stores... I am good.

Kearnstd
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Quite true have to make sure you do your self defending in full view of the camera.

Also if watching a PPV it would also have a popup....

"It appears another viewer has entered the room, to continue please authorize an additional $2.99"

(I mean the day we get full room sensing the MPAA will gradually adjust their VOD contracts to require per viewer billing.)
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dsilvers

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reply to lcnoble
said by Icnoble :
I will get one for a bathroom TV and see what happens. This could be fun!

Apple has an app for that...the Ipotty

• Complete with audio, visual: Replays on demand.
• Visualization: When you don't have time for all the crap.
• Self cleaning most of the time.
• No trackers or wipers.
• Scheduling and autostart for regularity.
• Auto sync with Icloud: Similar to sewer backups.
• Waste is converted with Bablefish.
• Encrypted DNS with a Google Scraper when you need to search for sheet.

Sarcasm OFF:

Reminds me of the Do Not Track Browser flag that advertisers have chosen to ignore.

said by goalieskates :
I guess the first thing to do is gouge its little eyes and ears out ...
Agreed...What's next? Perhaps a scheme to get the victim to pay for their wonderful service. A little consultation with the Motion Picture and Recording Industry and they could be living their dream.

dave
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reply to lcnoble
said by lcnoble:

I still have not determined what is in this proposal that benefits the consumer, other than the reasoning that custom advertising is good for the consumer! Have we reached that reality?

The advertisers insist that if they didn't perform their public service, out of the goodness of their hearts, we wouldn't know what to buy.

(And then we might have to be called "people" rather than "consumers").


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reply to jaykaykay
If the data travels across a network that you don't own, then how do you have any expectation of privacy in your own home.

On the plus side once one is hacked and the flood gates open, think of all the fresh new amateur porn that will be available.
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Phoenix22
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reply to jaykaykay
hey! i was raised on a 32' trojan ;=))


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reply to jaykaykay
I don't have VZN DVR service in my area. Even if I had one it would be useless. My set top is in an empty room I rarely use. There is little to see now, and there would be even less when I was finished.
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Dzyn Cre8
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reply to jaykaykay
Oh how content I am to not have a TV, just don't feel like I'm missing much. At least in Gmail I can turn the ads off - my personal space as it were.
When they come out with opt-out for ads on TVs, will revisit the idea. Or at least an auto-mute. Last time I bought a TV 1995, was asking for such features and told it "wasn't possible".
My childhood dreams that the populace would awaken on the mark of Y2K dashed... 2012? I think we've run out of significant dates of an arbitrary nature. I'm pretty much out of ideas on that one.

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tigerpaw509

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reply to jaykaykay
So if I watch alot of Porn I would they would try to sell me ?

Mele20
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reply to Dzyn Cre8
I didn't have a TV for 10 years...didn't miss it. But I finally bought a 46" Samsung Smart TV last year and it has been quite a pleasure. I have analog cable via the condo building I live in...I paid for it for 10 years when I did not have a TV. But I don't watch analog channels. I watch HD channels only via clear qam..so no crappy set top box. I actually like many of the ads. They are not like they were 10 years ago...but sleek and sophisticated...many at least on broadcast channels which are the only channels I watch except for Public TV.
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