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leibold
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Re: California Lumber Products Assessment

said by Pacrat:

They couldn't survive without federal assistance.

Taken by itself, California would be the seventheighth largest economy in the world (apparently we dropped a spot in 2011). 1985 was the last year when California received more in Federal Services then it contributed in Federal Taxes. This means that the state would be better off financially if it seceded.

However even if secession was a theoretical possibility, good luck on getting northern and southern California to agree on anything
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cdru
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said by leibold:

1985 was the last year when California received more in Federal Services then it contributed in Federal Taxes. This means that the state would be better off financially if it seceded.

If you factor in though the cost of the federal doing it's job, there's a much larger deficit. Consider cost of maintaining military, borders, customs, post office, etc.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
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said by leibold:

However even if secession was a theoretical possibility, good luck on getting northern and southern California to agree on anything

So we'll just send Southern California packing!


ropeguru
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said by itguy05:

said by leibold:

However even if secession was a theoretical possibility, good luck on getting northern and southern California to agree on anything

So we'll just send Southern California packing!

I like that idea...


John Galt
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said by leibold:

However even if secession was a theoretical possibility, good luck on getting northern and southern California to agree on anything

Already been considered:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_···c_state)


Pacrat
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But... would California's agriculture be able to flourish without draining water from the Colorado River? As a "stand-alone" entity, the agriculture is pretty-much screwed without water.
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BronsCon

join:2003-10-24
Walnut Creek, CA

Given that the California border runs down the center of the river, where the two meet, we'd still be entitled to the water flowing on our side. What's your point?



Pacrat
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But that's not where you draw your water from. Lake Mead is where Cal draws the greatest percentage of water from. And Lake Mead shares no borders with California. There was a special on one of the Discovery Channels some time ago about Hoover Dam. One of the main purposes of the dam was to create Lake Mead to supply southern California with water for its agriculture. No lake, no farming!!!
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BronsCon

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You asked a specific question, which I answered withing the confines of what you specified. Moving goalposts is not how you win an argument (that I didn't even know we were having) with me, sorry.