[Serious] Nurse who transferred prank call commits suicide

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donoreo Premium join:2002-05-30 North York, ON	[Serious] Nurse who transferred prank call commits suicide I bet those DJs do not think it is so funny now. A nurse who transferred a prank phone call from two Australian radio presenters about the Duchess of Cambridge has died in a suspected suicide – two days after being duped. Mother-of-two Jacintha Saldanha, who was working on the switchboard when 2DayFM obtained intimate details about Kate, was found dead near the King Edward VII Hospital today. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are 'deeply saddened' by the tragedy and a Palace spokesman said the couple had not made a complaint about the prank call. Read more: »www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···EOFQOIWb Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter \| DailyMail on Facebook »www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article···ide.html -- The irony of common sense, it is not that common. I cannot deny anything I did not say. A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly. I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names.
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Kardinal Dei Gratia Regina Premium join:2001-02-04 N of 49th	I was reading elsewhere that, moments after the news broke of the nurse's death, the Twitter accounts of the two DJs were deleted. What was a 'harmless prank' isn't quite so harmless now. Come to think of it, it never was.
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HiVolt Premium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:17	reply to donoreo Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide...
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dirtyjeffer Anons on ignore, but not due to fear. Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON	said by HiVolt: Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide... i was about to post the same thing...i heard the call played on the radio and didn't think it sounded legit, but it certainly wouldn't be something worthy of killing yourself over (is anything, really?)...it looks like she has 2 kids as well...not a very nice thing to do to your kids. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. - George Orwell
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bt join:2009-02-26 canada kudos:1 Reviews: ·Start Communicat..	reply to Kardinal said by Kardinal: I was reading elsewhere that, moments after the news broke of the nurse's death, the Twitter accounts of the two DJs were deleted. They were pulled from the air, too.
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Wolfie00 My dog is an elitist Premium join:2005-03-12 kudos:5	reply to donoreo I was just reading about this and it's truly sad. A little confusing, though, and I think it's being poorly described due to the usual crap journalism. It's been described as the person who "put through" the call, but that person at the actual main switchboard was only on the phone for a few seconds and likely not even a nurse. The nurse who picked up the phone in the ward and spoke with them and actually gave them real information is undoubtedly who they're talking about. CBC has a recording of the call and it's pretty innocuous, mostly just a stupid stunt of the kind that happens all the time (remember when Sarah Palin got a call from a Quebec DJ impersonating the President of France?). How it could lead to a suicide is perplexing. I suspect there's a lot more that we're not being told. The hospital claims they were "supportive" of the nurse, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they dumped on her in a really major way. Maybe one of the downsides of the reverence with which royalty is still regarded over there. OTOH, medical confidentiality does apply to everyone. -- "The promoters of the global economy see nothing odd or difficult about unlimited economic growth or unlimited consumption in a limited world." ― Wendell Berry
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mr weather Premium join:2002-02-27 Mississauga, ON	Yeah, I think there's a lot more to this story. And the last I read the victim was the nurse who accepted the call, not the switchboard operator. My guess is the Twitter accounts were pulled to quell the impending shitstorm. Not familiar with the service but does closing the account also delete old/archived tweets? -- "It's all coming down!!" - Mike Holmes
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shaner Premium join:2000-10-04 Calgary, AB	reply to dirtyjeffer said by dirtyjeffer: said by HiVolt: Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide... i was about to post the same thing...i heard the call played on the radio and didn't think it sounded legit, but it certainly wouldn't be something worthy of killing yourself over (is anything, really?)...it looks like she has 2 kids as well...not a very nice thing to do to your kids. Suicide is almost always about thinking you're actually making things better for your loved ones by not being around. I can certainly understand the stress this poor lady was under. Afterall, she was the nurse on duty caring for a member of the Royal Family in the Royal Family's traditional hospital. She must have felt like she let the entire monarchy, and consequently the entire country, down. Of course that is ridiculously extreme, but people suffering from depression or Bi-Polar or any sort of other mental health issues will take things to an extreme and allow emotions to override all rational thinking. Sort of like a teenager, but much worse. -- I'm a man, but I can change. If I have to. I guess. »shaner38.blogspot.com/
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Steve I know your IP address Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA kudos:5	said by shaner: Suicide is almost always about thinking you're actually making things better for your loved ones by not being around. This. It's very sad.
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peterboro Avatars are for posers Premium join:2006-11-03 Peterborough, ON	reply to mr weather said by mr weather: Yeah, I think there's a lot more to this story. And the last I read the victim was the nurse who accepted the call, not the switchboard operator. The reason that the nurse might have been so despondent is the ramifications for her if she was involved in a breach of privacy protocol. While the employer had taken no action, and may not have, the absolute terror of being terminated for this might have been there. I know a guy who's wife was fired at a hospital for just making a sympathetic comment about a patient to a co-worker. She had over twenty year career discipline free. Yet I was in emerg this last year several times and heard everyones medical issues for hours on end.
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DKS Damn Kidney Stones Premium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bell Sympatico 1 edit	reply to donoreo The station has a history of inappropriate behaviour with few repercussions. »www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/de···-station quote: Kyle Sandilands, a shock jock on 2Day FM, sparked a huge public backlash following a lie-detector stunt in which a 14-year-old girl revealed she had been raped. Sandilands was dropped as a judge on Australian Idol and blasted by the then prime minister, Kevin Rudd, for his role in the episode. quote: Sandilands had previously gained notoriety for drinking breast milk and launching a competition to find Sydney's smallest penis. He said he was disappointed at the decision to drop him from Australian Idol. quote: In April this year, Sandilands was also criticised for referring to a Pakistani girl born with additional limbs as "spider baby". And finally, quote: The DJ also provoked fury in November last year, after he launched a verbal attack on a female journalist, Alison Stephenson, who had reported on the low ratings of a TV show he and O'Neil presented. "Some fat slag on news.com.au has already branded it a disaster," he said. "You can tell by reading the article that she just hates us and has always hated us. What a fat, bitter thing you are. You're deputy editor of an online thing. You've got a nothing job anyway. You're a piece of shit. This low thing, Alison Stephenson, deputy editor of news.com.au online. You're supposed to be impartial, you little troll." He added: "You're a bullshit artist, girl. You should be fired from your job. Your hair's very '90s. And your blouse. You haven't got that much titty to be having that low cut a blouse. Watch your mouth or I'll hunt you down." His remarks led sponsors including the car company Holden to withdraw their sponsorship of the show. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care.
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DKS Damn Kidney Stones Premium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bell Sympatico	reply to HiVolt said by HiVolt: Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide... Nothing like blaming the victim... -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care.
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DKS Damn Kidney Stones Premium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bell Sympatico	reply to donoreo The company has responded on Facebook: »www.facebook.com/2DayFM quote: Southern Cross Austereo (SCA) and 2Day FM are deeply saddened by the tragic news of the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha from King Edward VII’s Hospital and we extend our deepest sympathies to her family and all that have been affected by this situation around the world. Chief Executive Officer Rhys Holleran has spoken with the presenters, they are both deeply shocked and at this time we have agreed that they not comment about the circumstances. SCA and the hosts have decided that they will not return to their radio show until further notice out of respect for what can only be described as a tragedy. The Australian public are NOT pleased. The Facebook comments are SIZZLING. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care.
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bt join:2009-02-26 canada kudos:1 Reviews: ·Start Communicat..	reply to DKS said by DKS: said by HiVolt: Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide... Nothing like blaming the victim... That's not blaming the victim. It's stating that there was probably more than this one single factor. It's one hell of a leap in logic to go from "other problems" to "victim's fault".
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DKS Damn Kidney Stones Premium,ExMod 2002 join:2001-03-22 Owen Sound, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·Bell Sympatico	said by bt: said by DKS: said by HiVolt: Sad story and all, but the woman must have had other problems if this triggered suicide... Nothing like blaming the victim... That's not blaming the victim. It's stating that there was probably more than this one single factor. It's one hell of a leap in logic to go from "other problems" to "victim's fault". Sorry, that's not true. The nurse may have had "other problems" which are none of our business. The radio jocks did not take into account the potential harm their stupidity might do. To suggest the nurse might have "other problems" is to suggest some culpability on her part, where there was none. That's blaming the victim. -- Need-based health care not greed-based health care.
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hm @videotron.ca	reply to DKS said by DKS: The station has a history of inappropriate behaviour with few repercussions. I didn't follow much of this at all, but from the little i heard and saw on cbc it was a prank. Period. The real culprits ragging on this nurse after the prank were: a) the hospital b) some of the Media c) Royal family. d) Royal family followers It was a prank. Sh*t happens. But from what little I saw the above 4 came down on her. The station in question didn't come down on her like the above 4. It's the anal 4 above who couldn't stand their hospital being the butt of a prank and the UK media and the royal/royal-watchers. In effect guess we can say the above 4 bullied her and mocked her to death.
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bt join:2009-02-26 canada kudos:1 Reviews: ·Start Communicat..	reply to DKS It isn't suggesting anything of the sort. It's suggesting there may have been other problems. Nowhere at all does he say "other problems that were the nurse's fault". That's your own flawed conclusion to the statement. It isn't absolving the DJs, either. They deserve their share of the blame. But assuming that share is 100% of the blame without asking if there were other contributing factors is not right. If other such factors exist, it doesn't suddenly make this one okay. Saying it's blaming the victim is pure BS, and if there actually were other contributing factors it's tantamount to absolving them and their causes from blame. It's saying that only the very last factor matters, which is just as stupid as saying that there were other factors so the last one doesn't matter (which nobody here is saying, despite your attempt to frame it that way).
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Hydraglass Premium join:2002-05-08 Kingston, ON	reply to DKS said by DKS: Sorry, that's not true. The nurse may have had "other problems" which are none of our business. The radio jocks did not take into account the potential harm their stupidity might do. To suggest the nurse might have "other problems" is to suggest some culpability on her part, where there was none. That's blaming the victim. Sorry but suicide is almost always the "victim"'s fault. It's selfish. If it's due to untreated medical issues that is still on the suicidee for not seeking help. I have zero empathy, sympathy, or good will toward anyone that commits suicide (but feel terrible for their families of course). I've been the unfortunate "family member" of 3 of them in the last 10 years, and a close friend of 2 more -- and it's pissed me off every time. I don't feel bad for them - I want to kick their ass. Repeatedly. Every one of them knew they needed help and just threw every effort to get them counseling, therapy, help, etc right back in our faces. If this woman was that easily driven to suicide by a couple of phone pranksters from half a world away, she had other problems. Whether she sought out treatment or not, that's on her and those around her. The ONLY way suicide is not the suicidee's fault is if they are already seeking help or treatment and someone drives them to it and counsels them into suicide. But that's not suicide - that's homicide. See the case of the girl in Ottawa that drowned herself after being counseled to suicide by some creep online - who knew she was suicidal and told her that yes, she should end it, the world would be better without her - repeatedly. That's reprehensible. Two DJ's making fun of royalty and pretending to be the queen? There's no way they knew a nurse would go over the edge about it - I'm sorry for her family of course - but - it's a standard phone prank played by radio and comic types the world around for decades.
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digitalfutur Sees More Than Shown Premium join:2000-07-15 BurlingtonON kudos:2	reply to donoreo It would be interesting to see what policies and procedures the hospital has regarding releasing patient information, and whether they were followed. Most organizations will refer you to their PR department or designated spokesperson. -- Logic requires one to deal with decisions that one's ego will not permit. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.
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Wolfie00 My dog is an elitist Premium join:2005-03-12 kudos:5	reply to Hydraglass said by Hydraglass: If this woman was that easily driven to suicide by a couple of phone pranksters from half a world away, she had other problems. Whether she sought out treatment or not, that's on her and those around her. I'm going to use your comment to make a general response directed to several others as well, all of whom seem to be jumping on this "blame the victim" bandwagon. There's a lot that we don't know here -- that much is clear. But instead of assuming that there are all kinds of things we don't know about her mental health, maybe it's more realistic to think that there are all kinds of things we don't know about what happened to her in the aftermath of this. Just as a for instance, suppose the hospital had basically told her that her career was over -- not just in that hospital, but effectively anywhere in the medical system. A career that she had trained for all her life and was probably performing exceptionally, since she was assigned to this case. Do you have any idea what that can do to a person? Really, do you? -- "The promoters of the global economy see nothing odd or difficult about unlimited economic growth or unlimited consumption in a limited world." ― Wendell Berry
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