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Smith6612
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The cost

It is true Time Warner is willing and can provide 1Gbps service. The question is, what will be the cost of it for 1Gbps/1Gbps? Will it cost $250,000 to run a fiber line to my home and then another couple grand a month for the actual data connection itself not including any additional costs associated with such circuits? Google is obviously by design doing a massive amount of overselling for Residential service, and besides Fiber and other mediums, Time Warner really only has the DOCSIS network to work with. 1Gbps/1Gbps is going to be quite a feat to accomplish at current times on the plant in many areas if the proper gear isn't in a "Lab" status.

I'd like to be proven wrong but it's the reality of it. If Time Warner will give me 1Gbps/1Gbps via Fiber for even $200 a month and also run Fiber without having to take out a mortgage for it, they've got me right away.


axus

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Why do you think it would cost so much to provide a gigabit connection? You can rent a server with Gigabit speeds for like $20/mo, the hardware cost to Google is probably on the level of the server price. Maintaining a fiber network is cheaper than a copper one, right?

I think Time Warner is actually right, high demand is not there for Gigabit. People want cheap. But, there is a free 5Mbps connection. How many people are paying $70/mo instead of free? Most people don't want 5Mbps, no matter how cheap it is. Google proved it. They want something better, why not make it Gigabit. What is Time Warner giving for $70?


JTR

join:2012-05-19
Carbondale, IL
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said by axus:

Why do you think it would cost so much to provide a gigabit connection? You can rent a server with Gigabit speeds for like $20/mo, the hardware cost to Google is probably on the level of the server price. Maintaining a fiber network is cheaper than a copper one, right?

You are wrong on every single one of those points.

First of all, the server. Go find me a truly unlimited gigabit dedicated server with a decent BGP blend of bw providers for under, let's say, $500/mo. Good luck, because such a thing dosn't exist. There's only a handful of dedis in this price range, all of which have extremely terrible networks.

That $20 server? Shared gigabit line, low bandwidth, probably oversold, and a budget transit or single-homed network. And that's being optimistic.

Datacenters are NOT a good comparison to use. They do not have to maintain their own fiber rings/backbones, last-mile networks, nodes, infrastructure, etc. They do not have to pay for modems for every customer, they do not have to run miles and miles of fiber through a large city, they do not have to pay for permits to run said fiber... They need a building, stable power, some pricy UPS/genset systems, a few fiber lines, and a ridiculous cooling system.

Also, good luck finding a dedicated server at $20 with a gigabit line. Online.net is the only provider offering gigabit at that price, and their gigabit has exceedingly bad international transit (as well as a impressively bad network). Kimsufi doesn't count, they use 100Mbit lines with 5TB limits.

An ISP has WAY more infrastructure to maintain than a server provider. Comparing the two directly is idiotic.


Smith6612
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reply to axus

said by axus:

Why do you think it would cost so much to provide a gigabit connection? You can rent a server with Gigabit speeds for like $20/mo, the hardware cost to Google is probably on the level of the server price. Maintaining a fiber network is cheaper than a copper one, right?

I think Time Warner is actually right, high demand is not there for Gigabit. People want cheap. But, there is a free 5Mbps connection. How many people are paying $70/mo instead of free? Most people don't want 5Mbps, no matter how cheap it is. Google proved it. They want something better, why not make it Gigabit. What is Time Warner giving for $70?

The reason being is I'm not so much in the sticks, but out here we have DSL or Cable, with some blend of one or the other only being available. Go a half a mile North and you'll find homes that can't get anything but spotty LTE, 3G, or Satellite (or Point to Point Wi-Fi if those providers are still around in this area). Time Warner supplies the Fiber going to all of the schools in this area and to many other large organizations out here, and they have Gigabit connections but I do know they pay a fortune for them, but work well when their IT Departments aren't breaking things with overly restrictive security policies on their Firewalls.

The cost of getting the fiber isn't accounting for everything, but Time Warner would have to get the needed equipment to me, bury some fiber for some time, run some aerial fiber, and get me a connection back to their office. From there, the bandwidth has to be paid for at least to their interconnection. If they're going to give me a dedicated line so to speak but mix in traffic back at the office, that's basically taking you to the price of an enterprise circuit.

I do pay $450 a month for a rented, custom order dedicated server out in Chicago with a Gigabit connection that is unmetered, which also includes a private 1Gbps circuit which is also unmetered if I get another server with the provider. Their main providers for bandwidth is AboveNet and PNAP. But yes Datacenters are an unfair comparison.

axus

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reply to JTR

Hey, good info there, so how much do you think it all costs Google when you add up all those and divide by the number of subscribers? BTW, google is providing a Nexus 7 as a remote control, don't forget to include that cost

I shouldn't have implied dedicated server for $20. How many VPS users do you think they have per physical server?

5TB seems pretty high to me, do you think Google fiber customers will be hitting that? Does Kimsufi have a good network, maybe I should rent a server there if it's really dedicated.