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reply to unreg

Re: Any secure anonymous linux distros based on Whonix

You appear to be happy mixing browser plugins and anonymity. Let's agree to disagree.

said by Whonix :
The concern against browser plugins can be broken down to:
1. Likability: browser plugins use can be probably^3^ correlated to the same pseudonym.
2. Fingerprinting: browser plugins can probable leak lots of information about your (virtual) operating system (=Whonix-Workstation)
3. Security: some plugins have a history for remote exploits. More concrete: the risk for your virtual operating system to get infected by trojan horses etc. is higher.



unreg

@stratoserver.net

My point is pseudonymous here doesn't mean they can find out your IP, location, real name... Imagine you are a number, always the same number. Being always the same unique number shared with all Tor users would of course be better.

Also TBB is also not 100% anonymous. More pseudonymous. True anonymity is the goal. A long way to go.

tbb-linkability
»trac.torproject.org/projects/tor···kability

tbb-fingerprinting
»trac.torproject.org/projects/tor···printing

The security concern is valid of course. I think youtube is unlikely to attack. If you use plugins in whonix with brain and dispose the workstation sometimes to get ride of the pseudonym I think you are fine. Much safer than with any proxifier method you find on google.

slajoh01

join:2005-04-23

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Isnt their a TOR addon in FF to use for this?



CaptainZero

@torservers.net

said by slajoh01 :
Isnt their a TOR addon in FF to use for this?

Tor no longer supports the TOR Button addon for install on a Firefox distribution from Mozilla. The TOR browser bundle includes a portable Firefox 10....ESR. Helps with the insane Mozilla update schedule.

said by unreg :
Also TBB is also not 100% anonymous. More pseudonymous. True anonymity is the goal. A long way to go.

I agree completely. The links you posted are from TOR bug track. Certainly those issues are relevant to anonymity but I saw no mention of adding browser plugins to the mix. Did I miss something. Elsewhere the TOR documentation recommends against browser plugins and extensions other than those included in the bundle (HTTPS Everywhere, No Script and TOR Button).

said by unreg :
I think youtube is unlikely to attack.
If you are just trying to confuse Google there are other solutions with a lot less latency. I suppose there are reasons for anonymity on YouTube, perhaps threatening a government or an individual or just being critical of them could land you on a watch list.

None of that applies to me and I will not be adding browser plugins as they add a layer of risk that I am not comfortable with. Obviously you feel different so get after that YouTube and enjoy. Google "Two Girls and a Cup" (Flash video but no longer on YouTube). Some things are just so bad you can't stop watching.


unreg

@noisetor.net

reply to slajoh01
Yes, but they have not reached that goal.



unreg

@ipredator.se

reply to CaptainZero
Sorry, my last reply was to slajoh01. I missed yours, CaptainZero.

quote:
I agree completely. The links you posted are from TOR bug track. Certainly those issues are relevant to anonymity but I saw no mention of adding browser plugins to the mix.
That is totally right. I wrote that to make clear that the "don't use it because pseudonymous, not anonymous" argument is weak one against Flash. It's one reason against Flash but not a sufficient reason. TBB is also rather pseudonymous than anonymous. (open bugs, more fingerprinting bugs such as desktop resolution, zoom...)

quote:
Did I miss something. Elsewhere the TOR documentation recommends against browser plugins and extensions other than those included in the bundle (HTTPS Everywhere, No Script and TOR Button).
Correct.

quote:
None of that applies to me and I will not be adding browser plugins as they add a layer of risk that I am not comfortable with.
Yes, the added security risk is a strong argument against Flash.

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