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Re: 'Black Box' Data Recorders Required In All New Cars

said by peterboro:

It's 46 years old and I'm going to be driving after an EMP burst in the coming apocalypse unless you got a bigger gun that me.

The black box will be intricately integrated into the ECU and be next to impossible for the average person to negate.

When an EMP goes off, even your 46 year old car won't work. There is still an electrical system in there that provides you with spark. The battery cranks your car, the alternator sustains the running motor by providing the energy for the spark to ignite the fuel. Have fun pushing it and hoping that the alternator isn't fried in it.


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said by not :

When an EMP goes off, even your 46 year old car won't work. There is still an electrical system in there that provides you with spark. The battery cranks your car, the alternator sustains the running motor by providing the energy for the spark to ignite the fuel. Have fun pushing it and hoping that the alternator isn't fried in it.

I wonder why my Army training for shooting atomic cannon shells seemed predicated on the survival of the vehicles? We disconnected all radio antennas but one, and shut all motors down.
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Cars dying: Some say that all vehicles traveling will come to a halt, with all modern vehicles damaged because of their use of modern electronics (and one movie even had a bulk, non-electronic part dying). Most likely there will be some vehicles affected, but probably just a small fraction of them (although this could create traffic jams in large cities). A car does not have very long cabling to act as antennas, and there is some protection from metallic construction. As non-metallic materials are used more and more in the future to decrease weight and increase fuel efficiency, this advantage may disappear.

»www.futurescience.com/emp/EMP-myths.html
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said by EGeezer:

Having driven Maui's Hana road Form Kahului to Twin falls and back, I'd say anyone going 55 on that road would have to be nuts.

When I learning how to drive it was at 45-65mph that is the normal city speeds around here .

I find it's very useless to take the freeway since I could take the city streets and get there in the same amount of time. I only use the freeway if it's 30+ miles trip.

here is a list of cars with EDR's

»docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac···9BZZZ8dg

said by not :

said by peterboro:

It's 46 years old and I'm going to be driving after an EMP burst in the coming apocalypse unless you got a bigger gun that me.

The black box will be intricately integrated into the ECU and be next to impossible for the average person to negate.

When an EMP goes off, even your 46 year old car won't work. There is still an electrical system in there that provides you with spark. The battery cranks your car, the alternator sustains the running motor by providing the energy for the spark to ignite the fuel. Have fun pushing it and hoping that the alternator isn't fried in it.

That is why I will buy a steam engine for my car it's immune to EMP's. :P


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said by sivran:

Wouldn't mind: a way to infallibly prove that the idiot driver was texting when he caused the crash.

Do mind: "Oh hey your blackbox says you were doing 70 and the speed limit's 60. Have a ticket!" Meanwhile everybody else is doing 70 as well, and it was the dipshit that didn't look before merging that actually caused the crash.

Posted speed limit was 60 and just because everyone else is speeding doesn't change the fact that you were speeding. Likely the speed is 60 for a reason of safety and the fact that someone caused an accident by not paying attention while merging is mostly to blame, but the increased damage/injuries/etc are the fault of the speeding driver, so shouldn't they bear some of the consequences? Simple physics.

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I call bullshit on arbitrary speed limits.
Unless an engineer says the speed limit is warranted, I don't recognize it.
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said by AVD:

Unless an engineer says the speed limit is warranted, I don't recognize it.

Fine, but you forfeit the right to complain here when you exceed the posted speed limit.


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said by dave:

said by AVD:

Unless an engineer says the speed limit is warranted, I don't recognize it.

Fine, but you forfeit the right to complain here when you exceed the posted speed limit.

says who?
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Those who think it's idiotic to ignore a sign and then complain at the consequences of ignoring that sign.

(You'll note that I don't say "you should not ignore the sign")



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Re:  

said by Dude111:

quote:
'Black Box' Data Recorders Required In All New Cars
Find it;take it out and smash it into many pieces!

Then because of the integration your car will be useless.


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Re: 'Black Box' Data Recorders Required In All New Cars

said by dave:

Those who think it's idiotic to ignore a sign and then complain at the consequences of ignoring that sign.

(You'll note that I don't say "you should not ignore the sign")

As a technical board, I think those who believe a traffic control device (ex: sign, semaphore) means anything without the required engineering support should be ignored.
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You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue. Why else would you have a speed limit of 35 on a relatively straight 4 lane road that isn't near a school zone and has few traffic lights.



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said by sk1939:

You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue.

There are several sections of several roads in this area where the posted speed limit is randomly alternated between 65 mph and 55 mph. They are posted at 65 mph for long enough that local motorists get used to that speed, and then the signs are changed to 55 mph in order to generate speeding ticket revenue. When that extra revenue starts to decline as motorists start to notice the speed limit change, they change the speed limit signs back to 65 mph and restart the cycle.
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said by sk1939:

You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue. Why else would you have a speed limit of 35 on a relatively straight 4 lane road that isn't near a school zone and has few traffic lights.

Irrelevant. We're talking about a deliberate decision to ignore the signs (rather than failure to notice poorly-place signs, for example). Fine, ignore the signs. But if you're discovered ignoring the signs, don't complain that someone penalised you for not obeying the signs.

This isn't an opinion either way on the validity of the signs. Or an opinion about whether one should or should not obey the signs. It is simply disdain for failing to accept the consequences of ones own decisions.

Which is, of course, thoroughly on-topic for this thread.

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reply to not

Also, keep in mind this might become 'standard' for new cars, so it is not like you have the choice of not having it. You could have it removed afterwards but surely the manufacturer would consider this something that would void any kind of warranty offered with the car or even affect insurance rates.


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reply to dave

said by dave:

said by sk1939:

You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue. Why else would you have a speed limit of 35 on a relatively straight 4 lane road that isn't near a school zone and has few traffic lights.

Irrelevant. We're talking about a deliberate decision to ignore the signs (rather than failure to notice poorly-place signs, for example). Fine, ignore the signs. But if you're discovered ignoring the signs, don't complain that someone penalised you for not obeying the signs.

This isn't an opinion either way on the validity of the signs. Or an opinion about whether one should or should not obey the signs. It is simply disdain for failing to accept the consequences of ones own decisions.

Which is, of course, thoroughly on-topic for this thread.

Failure to account for one's own actions is sadly a large part of society today it seems. I've seen too many cases where people claim it's someone else's fault.

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What i'd like to know is... Will it post to Facebook?
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Only if it's a "Hey! Watch this!" moment.


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said by OmagicQ:

What i'd like to know is... Will it post to Facebook?

Why not, everything else seems to.


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quote:
Then because of the integration your car will be useless.
Ah man!!


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said by Dude111:

quote:
Then because of the integration your car will be useless.
Ah man!!

Just think of all of the money you will save by not having to buy gasoline. You might even finally be able to afford to buy a computer that was manufactured after 1999.
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Re: 'Black Box' Data Recorders Required In All New Cars

said by not :

said by goalieskates:

I've already said I won't buy.

Resistance is not futile, and it doesn't have to be spectacular. Some people have always resisted when ideas like this get started - they resisted the Nazis, they resisted the Communists. They didn't all blow up bridges like in the movies, either. Eventually these regimes fail.

As for your "dark ages" comment, ponder the idea that some of those dark ages serfs had more actual freedom and led better lives. Shiny isn't automagically good.

It won't work. The number of non-buyers won't outweigh the numbers of buyers and the companies won't fall. So, your "fight the corporate world" won't work. A good example of this is RIM (the Blackberry maker). Look how many people were trying to not buy they products and make a dent in their future. It didn't happen. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that more and more people moved onto Android and most importantly, their larger corporate contracts moved onto iPhones (due to more carriers having the iPhone now) that their company is finally in trouble. Even so, they're still surviving. It takes a really long time to resist and an amazing number of people and most importantly other corporations to fight just one company with deep pockets. Good and luck if you think your 1 man fight will do anything. lol

You need an essential lesson in how to take back our liberty, our freedom, our privacy. 1+1+1+1 and on and on, little by little, is how it is done in the beginning. Eventually, with a lot of hard work and perseverance, critical mass is achieved. Maybe not in my remaining lifetime but I will still work toward achieving this. If I give up, another working toward reclaiming our nation may give up, and then another and those who might have joined our effort never join because some of us gave up or never even tried. It IS one by one by one and goalieskates See Profile effort does matter. The actions each of us choose are critical to the survival of our republic.
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Yes very nice Mele