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Bastille Day better?said by wideglide36 :Also, in the case of vanity numbers, I don't understand the point of getting a number such as xxx-ROOF.
Who wants to figure out the numbers that correlate with ROOF?
Wouldn't it be better to instead use a number with a popular date such as 1225 or 0704 or 0101? Figure out, give me a break. So, you drive by a yard sign that has local area code, known prefix, and then roof - (XXX) XXX-ROOF. Yeah, (XXX) XXX-7389 is so much easier and catchy to remember. Trying to obtain the same last four digits is impossible in a big metro area. As far as popular dates, should Bastille Day be used? |
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Re: [General] Google voice going paid?said by wideglide36:Wouldn't it be better to instead use a number with a popular date such as 1225 or 0704 or 0101? These don't look like dates to me; other than 0101, they're not even catchy; besides, there's only so many 7777 numbers that you can get, and they probably SHOULD cost a premium, because it's obviously a limited supply and might be most valuable to businesses. Mnemonics, on the other hand, are simply random digits that would only matter to certain people, and would look completely random to the overall population; there's hardly any scarcity for random numbers; hence I think mnemonics should be provided complementary and at no extra charge, and not be tied down to having to select a specific NPA-NXX, because nowadays worrying about ratecenters is nonsense. Limiting the search to an overall geographic area with a couple NPAs is useful, but nothing more. |
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Re: Bastille Day better?Hey, relax a bit. I meant no disrespect to xxx-ROOF.
Most people don't know the date of Bastille Day, and I realize you were being facetious, but most people do know and could remember the dates for X-mas and the Fourth of July as well as New Years Day.
I see your point as well. I was just thinking out loud.
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Re: [General] Google voice going paid?1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?
They sure do to me. |
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2012-Dec-9 4:31 pm
said by wideglide36:1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?
They sure do to me. Me too, seeing as though both my wife and daughter we're born on 7-4 -- oh, and something else happened on that date also. Something about fire in the sky and booms and what not. And 12-25 ... uh, probably the best known date in Christendom. |
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said by wideglide36:1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?
They sure do to me.
I think that the gentleman grew up in a country where: 1) It wasn't 12/25 but rather 25/12. 2) And that's not Christmas anyway, rather the date is January 7th. (Actually, the Russian Orthodox Church still uses the Julian calendar. What is December 25 on the Julian calender comes out to January 7 on the Gregorian calendar that the world commonly uses, so when they celebrate Christmas it will be January 7 on the common calendar). 3) It's not 07/04 but rather 04/07. 4) And in any event that date means nothing special in the former USSR, Russian Federation, or the CIS.  Apocryphal sign seen on the British Embassy in Washington on the Fourth of July one year:
“Due to circumstances beyond our control, the embassy will be closed today.” |
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said by wideglide36:1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?
They sure do to me.
If you single the numbers out from the NXX, they might; if you only have 1 second or so to look at a billboard, they don't. (On the other hand, NXX-ROOF is indeed a catchy number.) Besides, how NPA-NXX-1225 is supposed to be personal to anyone? Why do you think that you deserve to have a number with 1225, and not the next person? Very greedy, and not very Christmas-like, if you ask me; are you the Grinch who stole Christmas? :-p |
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I am doubting that Google will charge for GV next year. We would have heard about it by now, they have to give some advance notice at least 30 days. |
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AFAIK a provider has to give 30 days notice only if phone service is being discontinued.
Charging for US calls (they already charge for overseas calls) does not constitute discontinuation... |
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The Canadian company [Pizza Pizza] used the Toronto number 967-1111 which is jingled as [967-Eleven-Eleven] with much success. |
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While off topic : The 09-12-2012 format9 for today's date0 is mandated on all immigration forms in the U.S.(!)
I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09. |
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said by blohner:. (Not to beat a dead horse but at my parents place in good old Germany I get 16/1 internet, unlimited local calls, 4 DiDs, 4 Mobile SIM cards with unlimited outgoing to domestic landlines for the price of 30EUR from multiple providers... - not sure why it is such a problem to provide the same service on this side of the Atlantic)
Because Germany is moving forward while the US backward. 20 years ago, you paid in Germany 1 mark/minute for a domestic call over 100km , paid rent for your WWII rotary phone and the phone was fixed into the outlet and it was a crime(!) to open it. Now they have more competition and better regulation than the US where regulation became a dirty word. |
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Am I the Grinch who stole Christmas? Are you for real?
I never said I deserved anything. Why do you feel the need to twist everything around?
Your comments make no sense.
So I will ignore them.... |
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said by cell14:I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09.
ISO Standard 8601 for Dates (and Times)
All the way back in 1988, the International Standards Organization (ISO) decided, for obvious reasons, that these country-specific all-numeric date formats had to go. The ISO standard date format is defined in the ISO 8601:
yyyy-mm-dd
This ISO 8601 format for dates has a number of good features.
It has a four-digit year.
It is unambiguous around the world.
It can easily be sorted by a computer.
And since nobody was using it before, it avoids favoring the traditions of any one country over another. Well, if NO one was using it before, it is contrived and unnatural. Like many "international" standards. That would be like mandating that the UN only do business in Esperanto. After all, there's no favoritism in doing so. Camels and committees and all that. --------------------------- Reminds me of the European Union, when they started to print EU currency rather than print scenes from Paris or Madrid or any other real place, they made up fictional scenery so as not to offend anyone. Typical for the Eurocrats.... Pretend scenery for a pretend currency. |
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Their announcement last year that 2012 would be free was on December 13. So we should know in a few days. » googlevoiceblog.blogspot ··· ada.html |
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There is nothing unnatural on international standards. US has a big problem with that, at the costs of billions. Just look at the mess with wireless standards, voltage, frequency,paper sizes, weights/measures etc. Retarded traditionalism comes at cost.
I would not use Esperanto as an example, it is biased( based on small group of predominantly romantic languages), nor a political nonsense like Euro. |
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This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me. |
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2012-Dec-9 8:20 pm
It always happens on long threads.  |
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said by gweidenh:This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me.
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said by gweidenh:This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me. I think now's our cue to get into a heated discussion about how we define a topic, what's REALLY considered off topic and what's just a slight deviation from the topic, and get really, really, REALLY heated up about it. If you're gonna go off-topic, win it! I'll go get the popcorn. |
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said by PX Eliezer704:said by cell14:I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09.
ISO Standard 8601 for Dates (and Times)
All the way back in 1988, the International Standards Organization (ISO) decided, for obvious reasons, that these country-specific all-numeric date formats had to go. The ISO standard date format is defined in the ISO 8601:
yyyy-mm-dd
This ISO 8601 format for dates has a number of good features.
It has a four-digit year.
It is unambiguous around the world.
It can easily be sorted by a computer.
And since nobody was using it before, it avoids favoring the traditions of any one country over another. Well, if NO one was using it before, it is contrived and unnatural. It was a reference to the delimiter, that was offered to use with date format '-'. That's why it was noted, that "nobody was using it before". Delimiters play important rule in distinguishing one format from another. For example, US uses '/', hence: 12/09/2012. Many European countries use '.', hence:09.12.2012. Standard offered to use '-', hence: 2012-12-09. Those, who pay attention to delimiters, can easily recognize format used and read the date correctly. Many here don't pay any attention to that (don't care or simply are not educated enough) and use whatever they think is "better" for them. Hence you may see: 2012-09-12 or even 12-09-2012... I've seen it with some forum software (and when you see it, the only question arises - WTF?) and even some banks use it too...  Like many "international" standards. Education system in the US created well known disrespect to the work "standards". |
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Mikroonda pufmaizo estas malsana. |
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OZO
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Talking about GV, do you know how many devices support XMPP now? AFAIK not many... How Google could start changing customers for the service if users don't have hardware, that can communicate with them directly. And I think. it worth to mention, that GV uses some kind of mangled RTP protocol (mix of RTP and STUN) with their own implementation (BTW, it's one of the reasons why there is no many devices that can work with GV directly).
Google is not ready and can't offer paid service now... There is no infrastructure base that could support that service. Simpy charging for transferring calls from their DID's (and that's what they are essentially doing now) will not stand even one day... |
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...the best laid plans of mice and mods... |
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Speaking of delightful delimiters, don't get me started on how they do things in India.
They take 653,275,829 and make it into:
65,32,75,829
and call it:
Sixty five crore, thirty two lakh, seventy five thousand, eight hundred twenty nine. |
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said by OZO:Talking about GV, do you know how many devices support XMPP now? AFAIK not many... How Google could start changing customers for the service if users don't have hardware, that can communicate with them directly....
Well, very true but if Bill Simon can offer mass GV conversion in his basement (or whereever) then surely GV itself can manage it on a larger scale. But you are right, this will not be done overnight, so likely it will stay free for US users.... |
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said by PX Eliezer704:Speaking of delightful delimiters, don't get me started on how they do things in India.
They take 653,275,829 and make it into:
65,32,75,829
and call it:
Sixty five crore, thirty two lakh, seventy five thousand, eight hundred twenty nine.
At least I'm glad that they don't try to divide numbers by 1024 and call it "Kilo"... like we do it here with our files...  |
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2012-Dec-9 9:57 pm
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said by OZO :How Google could start changing customers for the service if users don't have hardware, that can communicate with them directly. Skype doesn't rely on specialty hardware, it exists, but 99.9% of Skype users don't own Skype handsets. At this point, Obihai ATAs aren't an officially Google sanctioned product. Google can just pop an app on their Nexus stuff and into the Android world. Could you imagine what would happen to the VoIP world if Google bought out Obihai? |
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2012-Dec-9 10:23 pm
I have yet to see a phone app on Android platform, that works reliably and offers a good quality sound... But I guess eventually it will be offered (may be will come with Android v6 or 7, who knows).
OBihai is making ATA for old and becoming obsolete segment of hardware. E.g. I'm not going to buy a new phone, that requires connection to FXS port on the wall... That's for sure. Google needs a new equipment, that works with their services directly... And there is no such thing do far. |
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said by OZO:Google needs a new equipment, that works with their services directly... And there is no such thing do far.
$250 Chromebook* running Gmail? (which, so far, is about the only thing I can think of for which I'd want one) *Edit: $250 for a Samsung, $200 for an Acer... hmmm, maybe it would be OK for a portable communications "hub" (phone, (video) chat, email, yadda yadda) |
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