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Re: Comcast's RDK speeds development of new devices

said by telcodad:

Comcast and Time Warner Cable have now formed a joint venture, RDK Management LLC, to manage the Reference Design Kit (RDK):

Comcast, TWC to Co-Manage Set-Top-Focused RDK Project
MSOs Form RDK Management LLC Joint Venture

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 15, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· t/144963

FYI - Alticast has developed an all-IP, HDMI-connected, set-top "stick” that runs the Reference Design Kit (RDK), and will demonstrate it, along with several other products at next month's CES:

Alticast Set-Top ‘Stick’ Will Run The RDK
Vendor Tees Up Handiwork It Will Show Off at CES

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· k/147302
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Now that's cool, basically an Xi3 in a stick formfactor, rather than a more typical box. That's the kind of thing we've been needing for second TVs and TVs that people want a clean esthetic when wall mounted, etc.

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ARRIS is also set to have their latest RDK compliant products on display at the CES next month:

ARRIS to Showcase Entertainment Solutions for the Next Wave of Industry Growth at CES 2014
Transforming the delivery, personalization, and monetization of tomorrow's global entertainment--from content creation to consumption
ARRIS Press Release, PR Newswire - December 19, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 741.html
quote:
Video Gateways
Part of the industry-leading ARRIS portfolio, this showcase of whole-home and advanced gateways represents the evolution of the traditional set-top—serving as the new hub for distributing content to the growing connected device ecosystem in the home.

• DCX3600 advanced video gateway
• XG-1 next-generation gateway behind the Comcast X1 experience
• MG2402 RDK-based whole-home network and entertainment gateway
• MG5000 whole-home entertainment center

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Maybe we'll finally find out an actual shipping date this time?
They showed off the MG2402 almost a year ago now at CES 2013.

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said by telcodad:

Comcast and Time Warner Cable have now formed a joint venture, RDK Management LLC, to manage the Reference Design Kit (RDK):

Comcast, TWC to Co-Manage Set-Top-Focused RDK Project
MSOs Form RDK Management LLC Joint Venture

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 15, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· t/144963

Also see his blog item on this:

Comcast, TWC Shoot for Video Unity
By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - August 15, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· eo-unity

FYI - It looks like Time Warner Cable is getting ready to roll out their version of Comcast's X1/X2 platform soon:

Time Warner Cable Cloud-Based TV Guide Services Improve Customer Viewing Experience
TWC Press Release, Business Wire - December 19, 2013
»www.businesswire.com/new ··· Services

Also see:

TWC sets stage for launch of network DVR with rollout of cloud-based program guide
By Steve Donohue, FierceCable - December 19, 2013
»www.fiercecable.com/stor ··· 13-12-19

TWC Tucks Set-Top UI Into The Cloud
MSO Brings Spruced Up Interface To 2 Million Set-Tops Outfitted With DOCSIS Set-Top Gateways

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 19, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/dis ··· d/147311

TWC’s cloud-based guide up and running on 2 million gateways
By Mike Robuck, CED Magazine - December 19, 2013
»www.cedmagazine.com/news ··· gateways
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The cedmagaizine link says TWC's new guide is not based on RDK. Which makes sense since they said it's already deployed to boxes, and TWC had their own Tru2Way (OCAP) guide software for a while now.

It looks like TWC is more interested in the RDK's hardware classifications rather than the software part.
quote:
The new guide and new features aren't using the Reference Design Kit (RDK), but Time Warner Cable has previously said that RDK-based hybrid boxes would come into play early next year.

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said by telcodad:

FYI - Alticast has developed an all-IP, HDMI-connected, set-top "stick” that runs the Reference Design Kit (RDK), and will demonstrate it, along with several other products at next month's CES:

Alticast Set-Top ‘Stick’ Will Run The RDK
Vendor Tees Up Handiwork It Will Show Off at CES

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - December 18, 2013
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· k/147302

An article on the MCN site last night about all these new "Set-Top Sticks," like the Alticast one that runs the RDK:

Set-Top ‘Sticks’ Deliver Portability, Personalization
The Shrinking Video Client Among Top Cable-Focused Trends At International CES

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - January 5, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/tec ··· n/147483
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Alitcast stick seen running Cox STB software and Android
»www.zatznotfunny.com/201 ··· android/

telcodad
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On the Light Reading site today:

Cisco Exec: Thinner Pay-TV STBs Coming
By Mari Silbey, Light Reading - January 14, 2014
»www.lightreading.com/cab ··· d/707275
quote:
Unlike some of his colleagues, Nick Thexton doesn't see the traditional pay-TV set-top box going away. But he does see it getting thinner.

In a conversation with Light Reading at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas last week, Thexton, CTO for Cisco Systems Inc.'s Service Provider Video Infrastructure group, declined to declare the death of the tried-and-tested set-top. He did, however, observe that pay-TV providers are starting to shift away from deploying set-tops with thick, embedded middleware stacks. While these boxes are still a significant part of the service equation, he noted, operators are also considering thinner STBs, or clients, now for video delivery.

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I WISH we'd get a STB that was about the size of a Tivo Mini and had all the same generic functionality. With current electronics, it's possible... heck you could even throw a networked DVR on there...
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said by neufuse:

I WISH we'd get a STB that was about the size of a Tivo Mini and had all the same generic functionality. With current electronics, it's possible... heck you could even throw a networked DVR on there...

Later hardware revisions (and/or from different vendors) of the Xi3 should be about that size.

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The (Version 2) Xi3 Box with the XR11 d remote
said by SpHeRe31459:

said by neufuse:

I WISH we'd get a STB that was about the size of a Tivo Mini and had all the same generic functionality. With current electronics, it's possible... heck you could even throw a networked DVR on there...

Later hardware revisions (and/or from different vendors) of the Xi3 should be about that size.

 
Yes, here is a picture of the (Version 2) Xi3 Box with the XR11 voice-control-enabled remote for the new, upcoming X2 (software) platform, from the »Comcast Cable TV FAQ »All about X1 page.
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Re: [STB] Cisco thinking of getting out of the set-top box busin

said by telcodad:

Continuing from a previous thread about the possibility of being able to purchase cable boxes (older, refurbished ones) in the U.S. »Re: [HD] HD costs extra? , is this news item today on the B&C site:

FCC Grants Adams Waiver For Refurbished Boxes
Is confined to 50,000 Boxes in inventory

By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - July 26, 2013
»www.broadcastingcable.co ··· oxes.php

quote:
The FCC late Friday granted a waiver to Adams Cable Equipment (ACE) to sell refurbished integrated set-top boxes both to consumers and to cable operators, which the FCC banned several years ago in an effort to create a retail market for set-tops.
:

An update on this on the MCN site today:

ACE Waiver Yields Retail Sale Of 202 Set-Tops
Supplier Also Has Sold 850 Refurbished STBs At Wholesale

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 8, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· s/375754
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No surprise they're pretty darn old, nothing I'd want to touch this day and age.
quote:
...currently lists the standard-definition only Motorola DCT-2000 model (pictured above) for $29; the DCT-6200 HD box for $39; the digital-only/SD DCT-700 model for $89; and two HD/DVRs (the DCT-6412 and DCT-6416) with integrated security for $89 and $199, respectively.

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Re: Comcast's RDK speeds development of new devices

Saw this interesting article on the MCN site today. As it's RDK compliant, I wonder if it can be used on the X1 platform (and if Comcast is one of the "several MSOs" that's trialing it):

Cisco Nears Launch Of IP Video Client
Model Sports MoCA 2.0, 802.11ac, RDK

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 22, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· t/382661
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said by telcodad:

Saw this interesting article on the MCN site today. As it's RDK compliant, I wonder if it can be used on the X1 platform (and if Comcast is one of the "several MSOs" that's trialing it):

Cisco Nears Launch Of IP Video Client
Model Sports MoCA 2.0, 802.11ac, RDK

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 22, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· t/382661

From what little is there in that article I'd guess it's an Xi3 compliant device.

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said by SpHeRe31459:

From what little is there in that article I'd guess it's an Xi3 compliant device.

Yeah, like an Xi3 with Wi-Fi added.

The label says it's an "HD/SD Set-top Box" and "a Cisco spokeswoman said the model is an set-top/IP client that supports MoCA 2.0 for high-speed IP video and data distribution over the home coax network and 802.11ac WiFi connectivity."
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said by telcodad:

ARRIS is also set to have their latest RDK compliant products on display at the CES next month:

ARRIS to Showcase Entertainment Solutions for the Next Wave of Industry Growth at CES 2014
Transforming the delivery, personalization, and monetization of tomorrow's global entertainment--from content creation to consumption
ARRIS Press Release, PR Newswire - December 19, 2013
»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 741.html

quote:
Video Gateways
Part of the industry-leading ARRIS portfolio, this showcase of whole-home and advanced gateways represents the evolution of the traditional set-top—serving as the new hub for distributing content to the growing connected device ecosystem in the home.

• DCX3600 advanced video gateway
• XG-1 next-generation gateway behind the Comcast X1 experience
• MG2402 RDK-based whole-home network and entertainment gateway
• MG5000 whole-home entertainment center

ARRIS has two MSOs signed up now for their Sling-enhanced "Whole Home Solution":

Two Operators Join The Arris Sling Team
Service Electric, Comporium To Offer MS4000 Media Streamer

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 23, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· m/382701
quote:
Showing that it's making some hay off an exclusive distribution and technology licensing deal with Sling Media announced fall, Arris said two operators have signed on to roll out its whole home HD-DVR paired with the MS4000 Media Streamer, a place-shifting device that enables users to stream live and recorded video in or out of the home to mobile devices.

Under those deployments of Arris’s Whole Home Solution, a platform whose roots are tied to the vendor’s 2009 acquisition of Paul Allen’s Digeo and its “Moxi” product line, Service Electric Cable TV and Comporium will offer a media gateway outfitted with six tuners, a DOCSIS 3.0 modem, integrated WiFi, and a fancy user interface in tandem with the MS4000.
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Major remote control supplier Universal Electronics (UEI) is embracing RDK now:

Universal Electronics, Redefining Control at IBC 2014
UEI Press Release, Business Wire - August 11, 2014
»www.businesswire.com/new ··· IBC-2014
quote:
This latest release of QuickSet now includes full compatibility with the RDK initiative. The Reference Design Kit (RDK) is a pre-integrated software bundle that provides a common framework for powering customer-premises equipment (CPE) from TV service providers, including set-top boxes, gateways, and converged devices. It was created to accelerate the deployment of next-gen video products and services. The RDK is supported by more than 160 licensees, and is administered by the RDK Management LLC, a joint venture between Comcast Cable, Time Warner Cable, and Liberty Global.

QuickSet, combined with the professionally maintained UEI device code database and associated cloud services, virtually assures successful control of all compatible devices.

UEI QuickSet includes features such as:

• Automated Setup using HDMI-based connections to automatically identify the device brand and model number of connected displays without requiring user input

• Automated Device Detection, and IR control, of IP connected devices

• Cloud-based services to ensure access to a real-time device code database that is continuously updated with the latest control codes for the newest devices on the market, making the universal control interface easy to set up and future proof

• Compatible with RDK and the latest Zigbee RF4CE release
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Don't know if any of these new 4K Ultra-HD capable ARRIS set-tops will be RDK-compliant, and if so, may possibly then be deployed by Comcast at some point:

ARRIS Redefines the Set-Top with HEVC Support in Slim, New Designs
The latest HEVC, UHD and wireless technology arrive in four small, minimalist enclosures
ARRIS Press Release, PR Newswire - September 10, 2014
»www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 201.html

EDIT: The MCN site now has a blog item about this:

Arris Spruces Up Its Set-Top Lineup
Sleeker Lineup Features HEVC, 802.11ac WiFi

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - September 11, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/blo ··· p/383735
quote:
The trend may be toward the so-called “virtualization” of the set-top box as more of those functions get packed into the cloud, but that doesn’t mean traditional boxes will be going the way of the dodo anytime soon.

On that point, Arris is using the IBC show in Amsterdam to unveil a new, sleeker design for IPTV set-tops and video clients that are equipped with HEVC decoding and 802.11ac WiFi, with some models capable of supporting 4K/Ultra HD video.
:
So, the set-top box appears to be alive and well -- or at least is putting on a fresh face -- despite constant predictions of its demise.

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Seeing that those are VIP models, AT&T U-Verse and CenturyLink Prism would get those.

Hopefully the IPTV design group spills over some of that talent to the Cable Broadband group.

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said by telcodad:

Don't know if any of these new 4K Ultra-HD capable ARRIS set-tops will be RDK-compliant, and if so, may possibly then be deployed by Comcast at some point.
:

said by cypherstream:

Seeing that those are VIP models, AT&T U-Verse and CenturyLink Prism would get those.

Oh OK, yes, IPTV. But then, Comcast is moving toward IPTV with their X1 platform, "Xfinity on Campus," etc. products/services.
said by telcodad:

Hopefully the IPTV design group spills over some of that talent to the Cable Broadband group.

Yes, maybe there will be a follow-up press release on upcoming ARRIS HEVC 4K cable boxes soon, then.
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These boxes may be powered by the new Marvell chip just
announced.

»www.cnet.com/news/marvel ··· hd-chip/
quote:
The new Armada 1500 Pro 4K is the chipmaker's first in the line to enable ultra HD, also known as 4K, which offers a substantially higher-resolution picture than full HD.

The Pro 4K also improves the security functions of the Armada line, something cable providers will want as they try to protect their 4K content from piracy. And the chip will be able to decode video using HEVC, or high efficiency video coding, which should make better use of bandwidth when piping a video signal.

Production of the Pro 4K already started and Shah said Marvell is working with service providers -- he declined to say who -- that are launching new set-top boxes this year.

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said by SpHeRe31459:

These boxes may be powered by the new Marvell chip just announced.

»www.cnet.com/news/marvel ··· hd-chip/

quote:
... Production of the Pro 4K already started and Shah said Marvell is working with service providers -- he declined to say who -- that are launching new set-top boxes this year.

ARRIS has used Broadcom chipsets in their STBs, so they could also be using Broadcom's BCM7445 UltraHD/HEVC video decoder chip: »www.broadcom.com/press/r ··· =s732069 and »www.broadcom.com/product ··· /BCM7445

In fact, that chipset may have been in a (prototype?) ARRIS STB used by Comcast for demonstrating 4K:

From:
ARRIS Makes the Case for 4K with New STBs
- Predicts First Shipments Early Next Year

The Online Reporter - March 28, 2014
»www.onlinereporter.com/2 ··· ew-stbs/
quote:
At The Cable Show last year [2013], Comcast had a 4K demo that used an ARRIS box. We assume the new 4K-capable ARRIS box will support HDMI 2.0 and HEVC. ARRIS has already said it is working on a range of devices with HEVC built in. Cheevers didn’t say who the chipmaker is, but it’s probably Broadcom’s 4Kp60 BCM7445 chip, which was also part of the Comcast 4K demo.
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Yeah Broadcom is the defacto standard in cable set-tops.
Marvell is trying to crack their way in. They're widely used in streaming boxes though.

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said by telcodad:

said by SpHeRe31459:

These boxes may be powered by the new Marvell chip just announced.

»www.cnet.com/news/marvel ··· hd-chip/

quote:
... Production of the Pro 4K already started and Shah said Marvell is working with service providers -- he declined to say who -- that are launching new set-top boxes this year.

ARRIS has used Broadcom chipsets in their STBs, so they could also be using Broadcom's BCM7445 UltraHD/HEVC video decoder chip: »www.broadcom.com/press/r ··· =s732069 and »www.broadcom.com/product ··· /BCM7445

In fact, that chipset may have been in a (prototype?) ARRIS STB used by Comcast for demonstrating 4K ...

Broadcom also just announced that they will be supplying HEVC/4K chipsets to TiVo for their upcoming line of 4K Ultra-HD set-top boxes:

TiVo Inches Toward Ultra HD
Broadcom Chips In For TiVo’s Coming 4K-Capable Devices

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - September 11, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· d/383741

EDIT: The Broadcom press release: »www.broadcom.com/press/r ··· =s870350
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ActiveVideo has announced that it's an RDK licensee now and will provide a cloud-based browser for HTML5-based interactive TV content and applications on RDK-compliant devices:

ActiveVideo Joins RDK Community: Brings Browser in the Cloud to RDK Devices
Provides cloud-based interactive TV user experiences, content and applications
ActiveVideo Press Release, PR Newswire - September 11, 2014
»www.businesswire.com/new ··· er-Cloud

EDIT: An article on the MCN site about this now:

RDK To Cling To The Cloud
ActiveVideo Linkage Could Bridge Gap For MSO-Backed STB Platform

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - September 12, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· d/383783
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In response to TiVo’s request for a waiver or a clarification of rules to develop a non-CableCARD security platform »Comcast, TiVo Working On Non-CableCARD Approach, Verizon is urging the FCC to now waive all technology mandates for MSO/MVPD set-tops:

Verizon To FCC: Abolish Set-Top Rules
Telco Makes Pitch In Response To TiVo Petition

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - October 10, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· s/384634
quote:
Verizon Communications is taking advantage of a petition by TiVo to urge the Federal Communications Commission to “seize this opportunity” to waive all technology mandates tied to set-tops and other navigation devices that are distributed by multichannel programming distributors (MVPDs).

Verizon’s comments are in response to TiVo’s request for a waiver or a clarification on rules that it use a standardized home networking interface on products supplied wholesale to pay-TV providers. ...
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Yeah, that'll go real far - 'use our boxes, that's all anyone needs'.

Want some of what they're smoking.

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Re: [STB] Cisco thinking of getting out of the set-top box busin

said by telcodad:

said by telcodad:

Continuing from a previous thread about the possibility of being able to purchase cable boxes (older, refurbished ones) in the U.S. »Re: [HD] HD costs extra? , is this news item today on the B&C site:

FCC Grants Adams Waiver For Refurbished Boxes
Is confined to 50,000 Boxes in inventory

By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - July 26, 2013
»www.broadcastingcable.co ··· oxes.php

quote:
The FCC late Friday granted a waiver to Adams Cable Equipment (ACE) to sell refurbished integrated set-top boxes both to consumers and to cable operators, which the FCC banned several years ago in an effort to create a retail market for set-tops.
:

An update on this on the MCN site today:

ACE Waiver Yields Retail Sale Of 202 Set-Tops
Supplier Also Has Sold 850 Refurbished STBs At Wholesale

By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - July 8, 2014
»www.multichannel.com/new ··· s/375754

said by SpHeRe31459:

No surprise they're pretty darn old, nothing I'd want to touch this day and age.

quote:
...currently lists the standard-definition only Motorola DCT-2000 model (pictured above) for $29; the DCT-6200 HD box for $39; the digital-only/SD DCT-700 model for $89; and two HD/DVRs (the DCT-6412 and DCT-6416) with integrated security for $89 and $199, respectively.

The author of that Forbes article/analysis that was the subject of this DSLR news item »Modem Rental Fees Alone Net Comcast $300 Million Per Quarter has this follow-up one, in which he says that cable subscribers can purchase their own cable box:

How To Cut $1000 Out Of Your Comcast and AT&T Bills
By Ken Kam, Forbes - October 17, 2014
»www.forbes.com/sites/ken ··· t-bills/
quote:
... The rest of the $1000 in savings comes from buying your own cable TV set top boxes. Comcast charges $120 per year for each and every set top box in your home. I did not think it was possible for people to buy their own set top box so I left this out of my previous article. But another Forbes reader showed me a website where you can buy a Comcast HD capable set top box for $145 (»www.hddvrtv.com/).

It turns out that many of my aunts and uncles rent 3 set top boxes — one in the living room, one in the bedroom, and one in a guest room — costing them $360 a year. This is where the rest of the $1000 in savings comes from. The main tradeoff seems to be that these set-top boxes cannot order movies “on demand” like the ones Comcast supplies.

Comcast has 22.5 million video customers so if the average customer rents 3 set-top boxes this would generate $2.0 billion of revenue per quarter! Figure they have to pay for the set-top boxes and perhaps as much as $1.0 billion falls to the bottom line. Add this to the $275 million to $300 million per quarter we estimated in a previous article (»www.forbes.com/sites/ken ··· lympics/) the cable modem rental business was contributing to their bottom line and we get can estimate that about $1.3 billion of Comcast's net income each quarter comes from renting equipment.
I know that you can rent CableCARDs for TiVos, a Samsung GX-SM530CF box, and other such 3rd party devices, but besides Adams Cable Equipment, can another company legitimately sell actual cable company STBs/DVRs in the U.S, and then have Comcast authorize them?

See:
»To buy a HDTV STB, or Lease it from Comcast?
»DCX3400 box for sale on craigslist

So my question is, is this company/site actually legit?

»www.hddvrtv.com/#!home/mainPage

(The same company is also operating this site: »www.hddvrs.com/ )

EDIT: OK, the FCC waiver granted to Adams Cable Equipment is for selling refurbished set-top boxes with integrated security (i.e., they do not use a separate CableCARD). So the ones that hddvrtv.com are selling have CableCARD slots and that's OK?