Topic '[Rant] LED lights are ugly crap' in forum 'Rants, Raves, and Praise' - dslreports.com

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Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:11:43 EDT

BigBlarg posted :

said by TheMG:

It wasn't the connections either, it was one of the LEDs itself that actually went open.
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Normally LEDs don't fail open, unless they are very cheap, which these holiday lights definitely are.

Actually I'm not surprised. By making them flicker, it let them go over their limit and produce more light. There's probably more risks that they break too.

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:57:24 EDT

Dude111 posted :

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If you're an example of someone who hasn't been "reprogrammed," I welcome my new 21st century overlords.

Thank you,I THANKFULLY HAVENT BEEN!

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Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:59:13 EDT

TheMG posted :

said by La Luna:

Not to mention no more one bulb goes out and the whole string is done crap.

Believe it or not, I've had this happen with a couple of LED light strings already.

It wasn't the connections either, it was one of the LEDs itself that actually went open.

Of course, you can't replace the LEDs since they are not socketed, so the whole string is garbage, unless you splice in a replacement LED (which is something the average person can't do).

Normally LEDs don't fail open, unless they are very cheap, which these holiday lights definitely are.

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Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:53:42 EDT

Oedipus posted :

said by Dude111:

The saddest part is: IT DIDNT USED TO BOTHER ANYONE and people were fine and managed fine with it! (Before being reprogrammed)

If you're an example of someone who hasn't been "reprogrammed," I welcome my new 21st century overlords.

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Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:41:31 EDT

La Luna posted :

said by Dude111:

The saddest part is: IT DIDNT USED TO BOTHER ANYONE and people were fine and managed fine with it! (Before being reprogrammed)

No, people just started realizing what looks better and is less of a fire hazard. Not to mention no more one bulb goes out and the whole string is done crap.

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Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:03:25 EDT

Cheese posted :

said by Dude111:

The saddest part is: IT DIDNT USED TO BOTHER ANYONE and people were fine and managed fine with it! (Before being reprogrammed)

The sad part is, you thinking you know everyone elses feelings and thoughts :uhh: :uhh:

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 04:09:22 EDT

Dude111 posted : The saddest part is: IT DIDNT USED TO BOTHER ANYONE and people were fine and managed fine with it! (Before being reprogrammed)

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 19:08:43 EDT

Pashune posted :

said by JustBurnt :

said by Pashune:

The flicker in the new-fangled (new to me anyway) Christmas LED lights is definitely noticeable to me when compared to the older incandescent style lights.

Considering ALL the LCD lights on an average tree use as much electric as ONE of those old fashioned lights, it is a no brainer to me.

It all comes down to utility costs. At 0.07 cents per KWH plus the fact that winters are extremely mild here (I might need heat a few days per year), I don't think it'd bother me as much as it'd bother others.
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Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:14:30 EDT

Dude111 posted :

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I'm not gonna lie; they look a lot better than those tiny incandescent and LED style Christmas lights.

Indeed they do,thank you!!!!!

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:09:23 EDT

anon posted :

said by Pashune:

The flicker in the new-fangled (new to me anyway) Christmas LED lights is definitely noticeable to me when compared to the older incandescent style lights.

Considering ALL the LCD lights on an average tree use as much electric as ONE of those old fashioned lights, it is a no brainer to me.

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Tue, 01 Jan 2013 11:57:21 EDT

Fir_Na_Tine posted :

said by Anonymous_:

said by La Luna:

said by Dustyn:

I don't think I've ever come across a Christmas LED light that doesn't have that strobing flickering effect. Are the high quality ones that mimic incandescents sold in high end department stores? All I see at Canadian Tire, Wallmart or Home Hardware are the same flickery LED light pulses that are dizzying to look at.

Why do you see "strobing flickering" and I don't? Not saying you don't see it, just don't understand why you would see it and others don't. Weird. I just see bright, crisp, clear beautiful colors.

Evolution

we have super human eyes that can detect motion and light better :p I seriously I have to crank up the refresh rate to about 120hz+ just to get rid of the flickering on CRT computer screens

LCD's must be below 12ms to eliminate the detectable pixel refresh

My brother had a screen that was 24ms I could see as each pixel refreshed and they did not refresh at the exact sametime and not of the same exact shade of color. Fairly annoying as I would get severe eye strain with in minutes.

I was behind a Mercedes before with LED tail lights and when sitting at a red light I almost wanted to put on sunglasses as his brake lights were so bright it lit up the whole interior of my car red, like I was driving thru hell or something. His running lights were as bright as most other cars brake lights.

Also some police cars with LED light bars are a bit too bright. I know they need to be seen for safety but shouldn't be blinding you.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Tue, 01 Jan 2013 02:00:23 EDT

Anonymous_ posted :

said by La Luna:

said by Dustyn:

Why do you see "strobing flickering" and I don't? Not saying you don't see it, just don't understand why you would see it and others don't. Weird. I just see bright, crisp, clear beautiful colors.

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:52:53 EDT

Anonymous_ posted :

said by Fir_Na_Tine:

I don't like the LED's because of the refresh rate as you posted. It just looks weird and sometimes makes my dizzy or gives me a slight headache. I've noticed it too with some Cadillac LED tail lights as well. Are all LED lights like that? Christmas ones etc.

cheap older tech LEDs have the issue .
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:14:21 EDT

Pashune posted : The flicker in the new-fangled (new to me anyway) Christmas LED lights is definitely noticeable to me when compared to the older incandescent style lights.

It's not really a bother but it's slightly distracting. It seems like we're constantly going forward in technology and yet backwards at times. Some things just look and work better without all of these 'green energy' enhancements. I actually re-used an old pair of mini incandescent icicle Christmas lights from years back. They finally started to fail this year after a heavy storm.

I'm only in my 20's, but I can't help my envy when these things were popular :p I remember when my grandpa used to put them up when he was still around in the early 90's.

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I'm not gonna lie; they look a lot better than those tiny incandescent and LED style Christmas lights. More vibrant and colorful; a bigger presence (obviously because they're bigger?) if you will. The new lights today don't look bad, but I just don't think they look as good as the older ones either. Could be the nostalgia talking for all I know. They were bigger energy hogs and fire hazards of course, but one month of Christmas isn't gonna kill the power bill :p ... and hopefully not your property either.

Then again, they're just Christmas lights. Not the end of the world, etc. I can probably just order a specialized pair if I'm desperate enough for next year.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:03:55 EDT

BigBlarg posted : I just bought a few sets of LED christmas light on sale (3$ instead of 15$) for next year.

I tried one to see what it looks like, and wow, they do flicker a lot. I didn't expect that. It is less noticeable at a higher distance so I don't mind...

I do have 2 LED light bulbs I bought to try, they are in lamp. They do NOT flicker that way.

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sun, 23 Dec 2012 08:07:38 EDT

AMDUSER posted : That is a Christmas tree fire waiting to happen... unfortunately. :(

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 21:11:21 EDT

Fir_Na_Tine posted : Thanks for those links. Interesting read on something as simple as Xmas lights. I'm not a fan of the LED ones, although I have two stands in use but the rest are regular ones. Like the Wikipedia said I notice the Stroboscopic effect mostly when looking from side to side or moving across the field of view.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:46:36 EDT

Dustyn posted : It's just the way LED bulb technology is as they are designed to turn on and off very quickly. In most cases it's not perceptive by the human eye, but for some it is. Most are 60Hz as they run off 60Hz AC. (reminds me of the 60Hz refresh rate of an old CRT monitor) I haven't been able to find any that are twice as bright at 120Hz. These are supposedly flicker free, but they still flicker... just at a much faster rate. As BigBlarg mentioned you could use a full-wave bridge rectifier at the socket end of the strand to get 120Hz.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_···chnology
»boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/sho···t=583097
The above link I found quite interesting.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:52:07 EDT

La Luna posted :

said by Dustyn:

Why do you see "strobing flickering" and I don't? Not saying you don't see it, just don't understand why you would see it and others don't. Weird. I just see bright, crisp, clear beautiful colors.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:06:03 EDT

BigBlarg posted :

said by Dustyn:

Like I said, it's probably cheaper to produce by using weaker LEDs and pulse them. Higher quality products would probably be too expensive and wouldn't sell well at all.

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Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:53:23 EDT

Oedipus posted :

said by BigBlarg:

said by La Luna:

said by Dude111:

Yea i can usually tell the difference... The LED lights are dimmer and look like crap in my opinion..... (Not as vivid colours)

Not true. At all. Have you had your eyes checked lately?

It's useless arguing with Dude. He has bionic eyes, bionic tongue and bionic ears that can see, ear and taste stuff that normal human wouldn't.

Bionic SENSES were so much better BACK in the 80s. MUCH MORE BIONIC BACK THEN

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:29:24 EDT

Dustyn posted : I don't think I've ever come across a Christmas LED light that doesn't have that strobing flickering effect. Are the high quality ones that mimic incandescents sold in high end department stores? All I see at Canadian Tire, Wallmart or Home Hardware are the same flickery LED light pulses that are dizzying to look at.
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Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:22:07 EDT

BigBlarg posted :

said by La Luna:

said by Dude111:

Yea i can usually tell the difference... The LED lights are dimmer and look like crap in my opinion..... (Not as vivid colours)

Not true. At all. Have you had your eyes checked lately?

It's useless arguing with Dude. He has bionic eyes, bionic tongue and bionic ears that can see, ear and taste stuff that normal human wouldn't.

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Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:19:26 EDT

La Luna posted :

said by Dude111:

Yea i can usually tell the difference... The LED lights are dimmer and look like crap in my opinion..... (Not as vivid colours)

Not true. At all. Have you had your eyes checked lately?

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:18:58 EDT

BigBlarg posted : I found the explanation for the led refresh rate :

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If you have an LED that is rated for 30 mA, you can drive it with 50 mA pulses which exceed the maximum current for the LED. However, as long as the pulse frequency is pretty fast and the average current (averaging 50 mA and 0 mA for when the pulses are on and off) doesn't exceed 30 mA then the LED will be just fine.

It would seem most led lights use this, but it would still be possible to make led lights that doesn't flicker. Pulsating weak LEDs must be cheaper than a current voltage in strong LEDs.

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:03 EDT

BigBlarg posted : The refresh rate doesn't make sense to me. Aren't they powered by DC?

Edit : Nevermind, found some videos on the interwebs. I still don't understand it..

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:51:13 EDT

Dustyn posted :

said by John Galt:

I use candles...

well... how very little house on the prairie.

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:50:43 EDT

Dude111 posted : Yea i can usually tell the difference... The LED lights are dimmer and look like crap in my opinion..... (Not as vivid colours)

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:14:09 EDT

anon posted :

said by dave:

Better in the 80's, hell. Christmas lights were much better when they were honking big bulbs with 1/4" threaded bases, when the whole string would fail if one bulb didn't work, when however much care you took to put them away in functioning condition, the string would always amuse itself by practicing advanced knot tying in the attic, and inevitably several bulbs would not survive the summer, so the lights never ever worked when you unpacked them, and it was always after the shops closed for the evening and besides they were always fresh out of bulbs because every other kid's father had also left it to the last minute to consider that just maybe the christmas tree lights needed to be tested, and no I don't know where I left the spares. That is the true meaning of christmas.

damn right, nothing built character like having to check every bulb on a string lights to find the dead one

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 23:49:45 EDT

Fir_Na_Tine posted :

said by Anonymous_:

said by Xioden:

So you're complaining about what happened to this beautiful place we call earth, while complaining millions of homes are no longer using strings of Christmas lights where 1-2 individual bulbs used the same amount of electricity as entire strings of LED lights do?

And those "stupid cop cars" now don't light up entire streets with their emergency lights on, but still accomplish the same thing.

LED lights suck for Christmas lights... 99% of them have a shitty refresh rate of 59.8hz. The ghosting or flickering effect is what bothers me the most.
You do not get that "flicker" with incandescent bulbs.

said by Oedipus:

quote:
If you don't like them, then why did you buy them?

I could answer that with great accuracy, but I got in trouble for it last time.

Those C7 bulbs are neat for outdoor use, but I think they are a fire hazard when placed on a christmas tree because they get really hot. That's probably why the LED bulbs are gaining favor.

That is crazy shit made up by tree hugger's. That myth has been busted.

If there is a fire it's probably because of manufacturing defects.

Power wise they ARE 100% efficient*.
I can prove it.

They double as a space heater for your house, there for no power is lost and helps cut down on your heating bill.

* 100% electric areas it's 100% efficient

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:03:29 EDT

sivran posted : I recently drove around my neighborhood and...either everyone's using LED, nobody's using LED, or I just can't tell the difference.
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Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:41:20 EDT

Secyurityet posted :

said by ebgbjo:

I agree. First time I am in agreement with Dude. I think the new LED lights just look too fake- the colors are too bright and vivid, which may be great to some of you, but I don't need lights so bright it burns my eyes to enjoy Christmas.

Now there's a concept for you -- fake light.

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:40:06 EDT

Secyurityet posted :

said by Santa Fe:

I like the late 60's early 70's when you had to rant with either Punch Cards or Paper Tape! Those were the rants! ;)

You had punch cards and tape?!?

I had to rant by carrier pigeon!

Re: [Rant] LED lights are ugly crap

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:37:17 EDT

Secyurityet posted :

said by sivran:

Sometimes, during the winter, I can heat my computer room with just the exhaust from my computers and the heat generated by a couple strings of christmas lights. Makes it festive and warm at the same time. :D

The building I work in doesn't run any heat to the second floor -- all the heat comes from the bodies that work there and the computers they use.

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Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:00:48 EDT

07108968 posted :

said by Dude111:

said by Burntone :
Be sure use the eighties as your starting point.

Indeed bud,the 80s was the peak of what was good in this world!!!! (Everything started going downhill in 1987 (Slowly but surely))

I think 87 and beyond was a pretty good, I lived on my own, had a good job, had loads of fun.

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Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:25:33 EDT

Johkal posted : In addition, from around 1975 up to the entire 80s saw the worst American cars ever made.

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Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:21:57 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Dude111:

Indeed bud,the 80s was the peak of what was good in this world!!!!

Except for Winchester rifles. They started their downhill slide in 1964, and went completely to pot in 1981!
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Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:33:01 EDT

Annmarie posted :

said by Dude111:

said by Burntone :
Be sure use the eighties as your starting point.

Indeed bud,the 80s was the peak of what was good in this world!!!! (Everything started going downhill in 1987 (Slowly but surely))

Keep in mind I am well into a nice bottle of wine but I agree. :D
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