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Gone
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reply to Shaman

Re: Driver without licence tells judge he has right to travel

said by Shaman :

I think his argument is that he never entered into a contract with the gov to be regulated anywhere. if the gov wants to regulate him, he is open to maybe signing a contract and receiving compensation or some other ridiculous thing.

They don't need to enter a contract with the government because the constitution gives each province the right to regulate both property and public highways. In other words, this is just another case of a moron in desperate need of a civics lesson.

PX Eliezer7
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said by Gone:

In other words, this is just another case of a moron in desperate need of a civics lesson.

We have these folks---probably lots more of them---in the states. They call themselves "sovereign individuals" or some such and say that they are subject to no state or federal laws.

Some of them only will recognize one authority---a county sheriff.

This is closely tied with the militia movement, and so forth.

They have all sorts of crazy ideas.

One group says that the US Government is a foreign corporation (foreign meaning that it is not part of any of the states of the US) and that it has NO authority except over Washington DC and military bases.

A lot of these same people use all SORTS of convoluted language to say that they are exempt from the income tax laws, and so forth. There have even been (for example) NY City police officers involved in these schemes....


Markie
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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

said by Markie:

And DKS, that link on legal fundamentalism is such horrid fear mongering I wonder if you even bothered to read it. What a crock of shit.

Right. Case citations. A crock. Dream on.

Uh huh, about as unbiased as cherry picking the worst cases of Priests diddling little kids and presenting it as representative of the whole.
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FFH
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reply to DKS

said by DKS:

said by jaberi:

A Fort Langley man told a befuddled Provincial Court judge Thursday that he was within his rights as a "self-governing" person to operate his vehicle without a licence when he was stopped at, then fled from, a police roadblock last summer near Cultus Lake.

»www.theprovince.com/news/fraser-···EY6LH1vf

Good grief. This again. Case law is fully against him. It is a form of legal fundamentalism.

Selling an anarchist philosophy to a sitting judge is a no go sales attempt. The moron deserves whatever happens to him.
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Shaman

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reply to Gone

said by Gone:

said by Shaman :

I think his argument is that he never entered into a contract with the gov to be regulated anywhere. if the gov wants to regulate him, he is open to maybe signing a contract and receiving compensation or some other ridiculous thing.

They don't need to enter a contract with the government because the constitution gives each province the right to regulate both property and public highways. In other words, this is just another case of a moron in desperate need of a civics lesson.

The thing is, a lot of vulnerable people fall for this. That is, people with financial difficulties and vulnerable to be preyed upon by these ideologies.

If you search the Bell forum & Teksavvy forum you may come across a few of the topics where the mods let them speak their mind and their "freeman belief".

Try searching both forums for freeman, and maritime law, and shaman, and sovereign citizen.

Geist got hit by them as well. You can see one here in this topic of his: »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6710/125/
Look for the nick "Maverik".

You can see how a financially troubled person can fall for this cult. Youtube has a decent series from 20/20 or maybe W5 (something like that) on them as well. The American equiv is designated a terrorist group in the states (or an off-shoot of them are). But then again, anything to do w/ not shelling out money labels you a terrorist in the states.. so take that for what it's worth So over the past few years they have been spreading here.


DKS
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said by Shaman :

The thing is, a lot of vulnerable people fall for this. That is, people with financial difficulties and vulnerable to be preyed upon by these ideologies.

yup. Preyed on by fraudsters. And they waste precious court time.
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shaman

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said by DKS:

said by Shaman :

The thing is, a lot of vulnerable people fall for this. That is, people with financial difficulties and vulnerable to be preyed upon by these ideologies.

yup. Preyed on by fraudsters. And they waste precious court time.

Well I don't care about the courts time (or my taxes going to this, beats a trillion dollar jet with one engine that can't fly in our North). It's all just ridiculous.

But, I see it as a charter challenge.

I don't agree with it, but the charter allows it and also the charter is derived (as stated within the charter) by the "principles of god". For what it's worth...

I would also like to not have to pay for car insurance, drivers lic, and reg.

I wouldn't mind it one bit.

Charter challenge. *If* it ever gets to that one day with these people and their twisted "belief".


Gone
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A Charter challenge on what grounds, exactly?


HeadSpinning
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reply to jaberi

Let the guy travel freely, but not on roads built with tax dollars. Let him drink water, but not from water systems built with tax dollars. If he gets sick or injured, let him pay the doctor for his services.

He wants all the benefits of our society but doesn't want to live within the rules.

Crackpot.
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peterboro
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said by HeadSpinning:

Let the guy travel freely, but not on roads built with tax dollars. Let him drink water, but not from water systems built with tax dollars. If he gets sick or injured, let him pay the doctor for his services. He wants all the benefits of our society but doesn't want to live within the rules. Crackpot.

I don't think that's an appropriate response. If you live within the geographic boundary's of a country you recognize the collective rights and responsibilities of the majority or you get the fock out.

Same goes for those who move here.


Markie
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Some would prefer individual rights and responsibilities, the collective as it currently exists has an odious tragedy of the commons, bread and circus type atmosphere. No thanks.

Life, liberty and security of the person > Peace, order and good government. One is myth, the other reality.
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peterboro
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said by Markie:

Some would prefer individual rights and responsibilities, the collective as it currently exists has an odious tragedy of the commons, bread and circus type atmosphere. No thanks.

Life, liberty and security of the person > Peace, order and good government. One is myth, the other reality.

There are lots of things that are inherently difficult in a free and democratic society but as Winston said,

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the...."


Markie
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And almost always governed by the minority.
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peterboro
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said by Markie:

And almost always governed by the minority.

Being the 1%, well actually they are the .01% in reality.


shaman

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reply to Gone

Read, learn about them and what they claim to be within their charter rights (and they quote the charter as seen on Geist).

Funny how they claim the charter yet reject most everything else.



shaman

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reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

Let him drink water, but not from water systems built with tax dollars.

You might want to read the UN declaration on water from about 3 years ago....


shaman

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reply to peterboro

said by peterboro:

I don't think that's an appropriate response. If you live within the geographic boundary's of a country you recognize the collective rights and responsibilities of the majority or you get the fock out.

What if he couldn't afford to move the "fock out"?

What if he used his car, as a "sovereign citizen" or "freeman" to get the "fock out" but was ordered back due to the state not believing in his beliefs?

Just saying for sake of argument...


Kitlope

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Edmonton, Ab
reply to peterboro

quote:
I don't think that's an appropriate response. If you live within the geographic boundary's of a country you recognize the collective rights and responsibilities of the majority or you get the fock out.

You mean like all the US right wingers that threaten to move to Canada when they lose a federal election but never do? Is it because when they actually wiki Canada they read that we're kinda socialist?

They ain't getting the "fock" out. :P


DKS
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reply to shaman

said by shaman :

said by DKS:

said by Shaman :

The thing is, a lot of vulnerable people fall for this. That is, people with financial difficulties and vulnerable to be preyed upon by these ideologies.

yup. Preyed on by fraudsters. And they waste precious court time.

Well I don't care about the courts time (or my taxes going to this, beats a trillion dollar jet with one engine that can't fly in our North). It's all just ridiculous.

But, I see it as a charter challenge.

I don't agree with it, but the charter allows it and also the charter is derived (as stated within the charter) by the "principles of god". For what it's worth...

I would also like to not have to pay for car insurance, drivers lic, and reg.

I wouldn't mind it one bit.

Charter challenge. *If* it ever gets to that one day with these people and their twisted "belief".

"I deny your reality and substitute my own..."
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HeadSpinning
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said by peterboro:

I don't think that's an appropriate response.

I was trying to highlight how he's perfectly willing to enjoy the benefits of our society but reject the rules he doesn't want to follow.
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Rabbi

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I'd love to see his 140-something page court filing that he apparently submitted.


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I thought these nutcases were only in the United States. They call themselves "Sovereign Citizens" down here.

See - »www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publi···citizens



Gone
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reply to shaman

said by shaman :

Read, learn about them and what they claim to be within their charter rights (and they quote the charter as seen on Geist).
Funny how they claim the charter yet reject most everything else.

Maybe you should read and learn about what our Charter and Constitution Act actually contain before you would ever think that anyone making such ludicrous claims would have a toe to stand on.

peterboro
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said by Gone:

said by shaman :

Read, learn about them and what they claim to be within their charter rights (and they quote the charter as seen on Geist).
Funny how they claim the charter yet reject most everything else.

Maybe you should read and learn about what our Charter and Constitution Act actually contain before you would ever think that anyone making such lubricious claims would have a toe to stand on.

I don't see any intent to arouse sexual desire.


Gone
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Autocorrect will be the downfall of civilization.


peterboro
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said by Gone:

Autocorrect will be the downfall of civilization.

I reject your autocorrect hypothesis and propose Freudian slip.


The Slip

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said by peterboro:

I reject your autocorrect hypothesis and propose Freudian slip.

Those Peterborough calendar girls must have affected you


J E F F
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reply to Kitlope

It's the left wingers, not right wingers that threaten to move to Canada.



DKS
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said by J E F F:

It's the left wingers, not right wingers that threaten to move to Canada.

We only allow goalies in Canada. And defense players.
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Gone
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said by J E F F:

It's the left wingers, not right wingers that threaten to move to Canada.

I take it you didn't see many of the tweets or facebook comments after the US election where Romney supporters wanted to move to Canada, eh?