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wideglide36
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Re: [General] Google voice going paid?

Just thinking out loud here.

If Google Voice does eventually turn into a paid service and offers competitive rates and 911 service, plus maybe a few other goodies, why would someone want to pay to port out?

Unless the other big Voip companies offered free porting as some did during the CC problems.

I just don't see the advantage in changing from Google Voice to another Voip if all things considered are fairly even.

I'm sure I'm missing something.

Also, in the case of vanity numbers, I don't understand the point of getting a number such as xxx-ROOF.

Who wants to figure out the numbers that correlate with ROOF?

Wouldn't it be better to instead use a number with a popular date such as 1225 or 0704 or 0101?

Again, just thinking out loud.......

bbbc
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Bastille Day better?

said by wideglide36 :

Also, in the case of vanity numbers, I don't understand the point of getting a number such as xxx-ROOF.

Who wants to figure out the numbers that correlate with ROOF?

Wouldn't it be better to instead use a number with a popular date such as 1225 or 0704 or 0101?

Figure out, give me a break. So, you drive by a yard sign that has local area code, known prefix, and then roof - (XXX) XXX-ROOF. Yeah, (XXX) XXX-7389 is so much easier and catchy to remember. Trying to obtain the same last four digits is impossible in a big metro area. As far as popular dates, should Bastille Day be used?
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Re: [General] Google voice going paid?

said by wideglide36:

Wouldn't it be better to instead use a number with a popular date such as 1225 or 0704 or 0101?

These don't look like dates to me; other than 0101, they're not even catchy; besides, there's only so many 7777 numbers that you can get, and they probably SHOULD cost a premium, because it's obviously a limited supply and might be most valuable to businesses.

Mnemonics, on the other hand, are simply random digits that would only matter to certain people, and would look completely random to the overall population; there's hardly any scarcity for random numbers; hence I think mnemonics should be provided complementary and at no extra charge, and not be tied down to having to select a specific NPA-NXX, because nowadays worrying about ratecenters is nonsense. Limiting the search to an overall geographic area with a couple NPAs is useful, but nothing more.
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Re: Bastille Day better?

Hey, relax a bit. I meant no disrespect to xxx-ROOF.

Most people don't know the date of Bastille Day, and I realize you were being facetious, but most people do know and could remember the dates for X-mas and the Fourth of July as well as New Years Day.

I see your point as well. I was just thinking out loud.

Jeesh.........
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Re: [General] Google voice going paid?

1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?

They sure do to me.
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said by wideglide36:

1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?

They sure do to me.

Me too, seeing as though both my wife and daughter we're born on 7-4 -- oh, and something else happened on that date also. Something about fire in the sky and booms and what not.

And 12-25 ... uh, probably the best known date in Christendom.
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said by wideglide36:

1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?

They sure do to me.

I think that the gentleman grew up in a country where:

1) It wasn't 12/25 but rather 25/12.

2) And that's not Christmas anyway, rather the date is January 7th. (Actually, the Russian Orthodox Church still uses the Julian calendar. What is December 25 on the Julian calender comes out to January 7 on the Gregorian calendar that the world commonly uses, so when they celebrate Christmas it will be January 7 on the common calendar).

3) It's not 07/04 but rather 04/07.

4) And in any event that date means nothing special in the former USSR, Russian Federation, or the CIS.

Apocryphal sign seen on the British Embassy in Washington on the Fourth of July one year:

“Due to circumstances beyond our control, the embassy will be closed today.”

ConstantineM
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said by wideglide36:

1225 and 0704 don't look like dates?

They sure do to me.

If you single the numbers out from the NXX, they might; if you only have 1 second or so to look at a billboard, they don't. (On the other hand, NXX-ROOF is indeed a catchy number.)

Besides, how NPA-NXX-1225 is supposed to be personal to anyone? Why do you think that you deserve to have a number with 1225, and not the next person? Very greedy, and not very Christmas-like, if you ask me; are you the Grinch who stole Christmas? :-p
mitchflorida
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I am doubting that Google will charge for GV next year. We would have heard about it by now, they have to give some advance notice at least 30 days.
PX Eliezer704
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AFAIK a provider has to give 30 days notice only if phone service is being discontinued.

Charging for US calls (they already charge for overseas calls) does not constitute discontinuation...
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The Canadian company [Pizza Pizza] used the Toronto number 967-1111 which is jingled as [967-Eleven-Eleven] with much success.
cell14
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While off topic : The 09-12-2012 format9 for today's date0 is mandated on all immigration forms in the U.S.(!)
I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09.
wideglide36
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Am I the Grinch who stole Christmas? Are you for real?

I never said I deserved anything. Why do you feel the need to twist everything around?

Your comments make no sense.

So I will ignore them....
PX Eliezer704
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said by cell14:

I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09.

ISO Standard 8601 for Dates (and Times)
All the way back in 1988, the International Standards Organization (ISO) decided, for obvious reasons, that these country-specific all-numeric date formats had to go. The ISO standard date format is defined in the ISO 8601:

yyyy-mm-dd

This ISO 8601 format for dates has a number of good features.

It has a four-digit year.
It is unambiguous around the world.
It can easily be sorted by a computer.
And since nobody was using it before, it avoids favoring the traditions of any one country over another.

Well, if NO one was using it before, it is contrived and unnatural.

Like many "international" standards.

That would be like mandating that the UN only do business in Esperanto. After all, there's no favoritism in doing so.

Camels and committees and all that.

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Reminds me of the European Union, when they started to print EU currency rather than print scenes from Paris or Madrid or any other real place, they made up fictional scenery so as not to offend anyone. Typical for the Eurocrats.... Pretend scenery for a pretend currency.
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Their announcement last year that 2012 would be free was on December 13. So we should know in a few days.

»googlevoiceblog.blogspot ··· ada.html
cell14
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There is nothing unnatural on international standards. US has a big problem with that, at the costs of billions. Just look at the mess with wireless standards, voltage, frequency,paper sizes, weights/measures etc. Retarded traditionalism comes at cost.
I would not use Esperanto as an example, it is biased( based on small group of predominantly romantic languages), nor a political nonsense like Euro.
gweidenh
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This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me.
cell14
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It always happens on long threads.

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said by gweidenh:

This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me.

+1
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said by gweidenh:

This forum's ability to get off topic never ceases to amaze me.

I think now's our cue to get into a heated discussion about how we define a topic, what's REALLY considered off topic and what's just a slight deviation from the topic, and get really, really, REALLY heated up about it. If you're gonna go off-topic, win it!

I'll go get the popcorn.
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said by PX Eliezer704:

said by cell14:

I personally use the global standard 2012-12-09.

ISO Standard 8601 for Dates (and Times)
All the way back in 1988, the International Standards Organization (ISO) decided, for obvious reasons, that these country-specific all-numeric date formats had to go. The ISO standard date format is defined in the ISO 8601:

yyyy-mm-dd

This ISO 8601 format for dates has a number of good features.

It has a four-digit year.
It is unambiguous around the world.
It can easily be sorted by a computer.
And since nobody was using it before, it avoids favoring the traditions of any one country over another.

Well, if NO one was using it before, it is contrived and unnatural.

It was a reference to the delimiter, that was offered to use with date format '-'. That's why it was noted, that "nobody was using it before".

Delimiters play important rule in distinguishing one format from another. For example, US uses '/', hence: 12/09/2012. Many European countries use '.', hence:09.12.2012. Standard offered to use '-', hence: 2012-12-09. Those, who pay attention to delimiters, can easily recognize format used and read the date correctly.

Many here don't pay any attention to that (don't care or simply are not educated enough) and use whatever they think is "better" for them. Hence you may see: 2012-09-12 or even 12-09-2012... I've seen it with some forum software (and when you see it, the only question arises - WTF?) and even some banks use it too...

Like many "international" standards.

Education system in the US created well known disrespect to the work "standards".
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Mikroonda pufmaizo estas malsana.
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...the best laid plans of mice and mods...
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Speaking of delightful delimiters, don't get me started on how they do things in India.

They take 653,275,829 and make it into:

65,32,75,829

and call it:

Sixty five crore, thirty two lakh, seventy five thousand, eight hundred twenty nine.
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said by PX Eliezer704:

Speaking of delightful delimiters, don't get me started on how they do things in India.

They take 653,275,829 and make it into:

65,32,75,829

and call it:

Sixty five crore, thirty two lakh, seventy five thousand, eight hundred twenty nine.

At least I'm glad that they don't try to divide numbers by 1024 and call it "Kilo"... like we do it here with our files...
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Where'd you get the quote that ISO8601 format was not used anywhere prior to being invented by the ISO?

Today's date in Japanese is 20121209, and other asian languages likewise prefer Year-Month-Day notation, the only notation that makes sense and which is computer-friendly. ISO8601 is hardly a nuisance to anyone.

And if you think that people should be free to use whichever notation they feel like, go to Canada: today's date there can be expressed as 2012-12-09, 09/12/2012 and 12/09/2012. Canadians, eh? :-) Ever seen a couple of Canadian cheques from different Canadian banks? :-) I'm not even kidding: all three date formats are entirely valid! Check it out: »www.cdnpay.ca/imis15/eng ··· te_Field
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said by ConstantineM:

And if you think that people should be free to use whichever notation they feel like, go to Canada: today's date there can be expressed as 2012-12-09, 09/12/2012 and 12/09/2012. Canadians, eh? :-) Ever seen a couple of Canadian cheques from different Canadian banks? :-) I'm not even kidding: all three date formats are entirely valid! Check it out: »www.cdnpay.ca/imis15/eng ··· te_Field

Wow! How those guys (who wrote the spec) are going to recognize what does '12092012' mean? Is it December 09 or it's September 12. Or may be it's even December 20, 1209? (not very probable, but theoretically possible) That's why I've mentioned the importance of the delimiters. 12/09/2012 means December 09, while 12.09.2012 means September 12. And that's why ISO uses '-' as its distinguished delimiter too.

Thanks god they don't yet offer to use ':' as a delimiter or we'll have to guess if it's a time or date...
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Just one reason why I like 09Dec2012 10Dec2012 better--no ambiguity.

Edit: 12/12/12 -- that is all.
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said by ConstantineM:

Where'd you get the quote that ISO8601 format was not used anywhere prior to being invented by the ISO?

»www.uic.edu/depts/accc/s ··· dex.html
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Canadian cheques...

They have translucent letters under each field that tells the user what kind of the date format they're supposed to use. And cheques by different banks have different kind of formats, no kidding there! I'm not sure if you can request a specific date format as a user; but I guess you can simply switch banks if you disagree with your bank's selection (or perhaps order custom cheques from an official printer?). :-) That's probably the Canadian way: quietly fix it yourself, instead of going around, complaining and petitioning.