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Re: Deploying Windows 8? SKIP!
My Dad got a new Dell with Windows 8. He came from XP. Computer is blazing fast but we had to spend lots of time on it relearning how to do the things he was always used to. The old computer worked... it was just really slow.
Windows 8 is just so different, everyone has to relearn it... computer savvy or not.
In the enterprise we are in business to do business... not to spend gobs of money and time on training on a new UI. We still rolling out Windows 7 / Office 2010 and should be done next year with that. Domains JUST been taken to 2008 R2.
A lot of it is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Our Win7 rollout is just computers reaching EOL or dying and being replaced. |
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 MellowPremium join:2001-11-16 Salisbury, MD | reply to mikefxu One thing in win8 that will have to be disabled is the ability to turn the laptop/computer into an access point, I can see that as being a huge threat to security. |
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| reply to The WeaseL said by The WeaseL:We are finishing up our move from XP to 7, we aren't going to start that mess again for a while. Same here.
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 Ben CiscoEmbrace IntellectPremium join:2001-12-13 Wormhole | reply to mikefxu Nope. Just got 7 rolled out within the last year, no way we're touching 8. |
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 mikefxu join:2004-10-05 Titusville, FL | reply to mikefxu On workstations we went from Office XP/2002 to 2010 1.5+ year ago. Have been deploying Windows 7 instead of XP for more than half a year now, as computers are replaced. For a month plus now SSD are standard (120gb Intel 520) versus the included hard drives. Probably would be another 3+ years before we will consider upgrading the workstation OS. I was mostly curious to see if any organizations were truly embracing Windows 8. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | reply to mikefxu said by mikefxu:Anyone deploying Windows 8 in their organization? Curious how the end users accepted it. LOL that's a good one
I installed win8 on a VM and a few people looked at it and no one wanted to use it.
The only thing anyone liked was one person liked the pinball game. |
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM join:2001-11-21 Greenwood, IN kudos:1 | said by DarkLogix:I installed win8 on a VM and a few people looked at it and no one wanted to use it. I felt the same way when I ran the preview in VM. Without a touch screen, the new UI is just a bad joke. But once you put a normal start menu on it, it turns into what you would expect from Win7 SP2. The new "refresh" recovery option is rather nice, and so far my attempts to intentionally break it have failed. That feature alone might be worth the current upgrade price for consumers, though I'm not sure it would justify the full price in February. -- Intel i7-2600k /ASRock P67 Extreme4 /4x 4Gb G.Skill /2x Intel 510 series 250Gb SSD /3x WD20EADS 2TB /2x PNY GTX 260 /Silverstone 850W /Custom water cooler /Antec Twelve-Hundred |
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 AsherN join:2010-08-23 Thornhill, ON | reply to mikefxu I can't see any benefits in a business environment. I can see a crap load of retraining ($$$). The lack of a Start menu, and that stupid interface is just plain nuts.
Don't even start with 3rd party 'Start Menu' apps. Whay should I pay extra for a feature I used to have? And I don't want to put all my apps through anoher round of compatibility tests with my LOB applications. |
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 DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium join:2008-10-23 Baytown, TX kudos:3 | reply to Camelot One Well we have SA so there wouldn't be a cost to upgrade beyond what is paid anyway.
I even installed the GA version on a vm, it was less liked, pinball was gone. -- »Death Star Petition |
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 MellowPremium join:2001-11-16 Salisbury, MD | reply to mikefxu Only issue I have had so far Apps wise is an older Access database that I have to run with Admin rights for it to work right with MAPI. Any of the other old apps run fine with XP SP3 Compatibility turned on. |
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 | reply to The WeaseL said by The WeaseL:We are finishing up our move from XP to 7, we aren't going to start that mess again for a while. +1. We have until the end of this year to migrate over everyone to Win7Ent. Why would be want Win8? -- Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian. Robert Orben
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 H_T_R_NPremium join:2011-12-06 Valencia, PA kudos:1 | reply to mikefxu I have a pile of windows 7 boxen sitting here ready for install, what is this windows 8 you speak of? Ohh that tablet software, nope not putting that on the desktops. |
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 ArchivisYour DaddyPremium join:2001-11-26 Earth kudos:18 | reply to mikefxu Currently in testing in our environment. I'm not rolling it out, but our Windows guys are. So far, seems to be ok. -- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. -MLK |
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 | reply to mikefxu I finally upgraded my HP ProBook 4730s to Windows 8 last week. Figured I would need a good week or two to get use to this new OS. And to my surprise, this OS is really awesome! Only has taken me two maybe three days to really get us to it. After you get use to switching back and forth just a little from the new start screen to your desktop, its a breeze and is faster to work with. Do not use a Start add-on program. No need for it. I am cruising with this new OS. First, it boots up in seriously only 10 to 15 seconds to the login screen and then bingo, youre on your start screen even with Symantec End Point Protection running! And we all know how End Point Protection will slow everything down
But it doesnt. I was extremely nervous about doing this and like I said, come to find out it is the future and I do want a freaken touch screen notebook now. I see how the Surface tablet now can beat the iPad for sure. And trust me, I am not the big MS fan either. But we are all crazy not to switch to this OS. Windows 9 early rumors are already saying there wont be a desktop anymore. There is no need for it. And you will see and learn why with Windows 8.
Now, the only things I just need to finish figuring out is do we allow end users to download apps from Marketplace Store and if so, how do we manage these updates? They are not updated via WSUS, yet. Otherwise again, with Windows 8, you will not need any other type of portable tablet/iPad if you run Windows 8. Unless the app isnt there yet for Windows
Only other thing I can add to this is that I am even running Office 2013 Pro on Windows 8. Downloaded it from my TechNet account and this is the one thing I dont care for yet
The white transition colors are horrible. But this has to do with Office, not Windows 8. |
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM join:2001-11-21 Greenwood, IN kudos:1 | Do you know which version of Endpoint Protection you are running? All of my clients are still on 11, and while it installs, it doesn't run. My testing so far with 12 has been worse, the tray app loads, but the protection services fail to start.
It is actually the only program I've had trouble with so far. |
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| reply to GlazedHam said by GlazedHam:Windows 9 early rumors are already saying there wont be a desktop anymore. There is no need for it. And you will see and learn why with Windows 8. There's no need for it? Lol, I think the rest of the world begs to differ on that one. |
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 | reply to GlazedHam Agree w/ ya on office 2013. The colors are so hard on the eyes. There's no separation between controls. |
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I upgraded my Symantec End Point Protection to 12.1.2015.2015 which is the latest and which is the only version of course supported for Windows 8. I haven't had any issues with version 12. I did with 11 and to our surprise, they where all worked out in version 12.
I love how people keep insisting they need a "desktop". No you don't! That's what the "start screen" is now. It's your desktop and Start menu all built in to one place. And of course helpful if you have a touchscreen notebook. You don't have a "desktop" in iOS for your iPhone! Why in Windows 8 when everything is right there? Trust me, I didn't believe it either at first until I finally upgraded last week. I actually do not mind taking my notebook out of my bag when I get home to quickly check an email, website, etc now because the computer boots in record time and just moves much faster. I would hate to have to power up my notebook because it would take a good minute or two to get to CTRL,ALT,DEL and then another few minutes to load everything. Now, I'm up and running in a minute flat.
I have clients that I do consulting for at night and weekends and a lot of them want Windows 8. I'm the one that keeps pushing them to wait to upgrade... Just like we all have in the past. But with this OS, you do not have to wait. There are any pros to it that it out weighs the cons in my own opinion.
I am actually thinking of taking a couple of old notebooks and tossing Windows 8 on them just to give to my own kids so that they can download the apps with all the games just to prove that this OS can match and beat the iOS phones and iPads... Of course we need the apps which there isn't a lot of yet, but that because we as techs, aren't pushing the developers by installing Windows 8 as we should be. |
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If they do this, enterprise will have a better grasp on it. |
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