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El Quintron
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

said by Martinus:

said by swintec:

You can set up your own indexer with spare PCs in your basement now.

This is really good stuff for a thread of its own.

Setting up Newznab on Windows or Linux.

I think we got two trains of thought going on here:

One is how to run your own indexer, and the other is copyright enforcement is using Newznab to find NZBs and issue takedown notices.

Sorry for contributing to the confusion.
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said by El Quintron:

I think we got two trains of thought going on here:

One is how to run your own indexer, and the other is copyright enforcement is using Newznab to find NZBs and issue takedown notices.

Sorry for contributing to the confusion.

Agree.

Right now, I believe, the interesting thing is point one: How to set up your own indexer for private use.

About point two, as regrettable as it is, I don't think there's much anyone can do about it.


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I don't understand how setting up your own private indexer helps. If everyone (including the Usenet squashers) are indexing basically the same content, and the squashers send out the DMCA complaints to remove the *posts* (and those requests are honored), how does having your own indexer help? I must be missing something...?
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said by darcilicious:

I don't understand how setting up your own private indexer helps. If everyone (including the Usenet squashers) are indexing basically the same content, and the squashers send out the DMCA complaints to remove the *posts* (and those requests are honored), how does having your own indexer help? I must be missing something...?

I agree with you but as I said in my previous post, you can't do anything about it - other than getting the nzbs as soon as they are posted.

Regarding my question about setting up your own indexer, if you take a look at most of the new nzb sites around, they are just a front end for Newznab. Get the indexer working, throw in some cool css and javascript and you are up and running - of course you'd need a kind of registration forms, forums and some SQL back end to handle your users if you want to make it public - or by invite only.

But let's say you set up your own indexer in a spare PC in your basement. You wouldn't really need nzb.su or the other flavors of nzb sites around that rely only on automated indexes and not on user generated content as was the case of Newzbin.

But may be I've gotten it wrong. I just read about Newznab this morning.


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said by Martinus:

said by darcilicious:

I don't understand how setting up your own private indexer helps. If everyone (including the Usenet squashers) are indexing basically the same content, and the squashers send out the DMCA complaints to remove the *posts* (and those requests are honored), how does having your own indexer help? I must be missing something...?

I agree with you but as I said in my previous post, you can't do anything about it - other than getting the nzbs as soon as they are posted.

Right. Somehow I was getting the impression that folks thought that having their own indexer would be some kind of way around the DMCA issue.
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said by darcilicious:

Right. Somehow I was getting the impression that folks thought that having their own indexer would be some kind of way around the DMCA issue.

The reason I was investigating was that I figured by querying the servers directly, I could access content faster than by using binsearch. I wish I has already tested this theory so I could confirm (or deny) this.

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The DMCAs being issued were because of the indexing sites like Matrix. The algorithm that the copyright trolls are using is nothing more than a glorified spam filter. In other words, they were using these indexing sites to do their work for them. If they didn't have "public" sites to work off of, I guarantee you that the DMCA notices would drastically reduce on their own.

said by El Quintron:

said by darcilicious:

Right. Somehow I was getting the impression that folks thought that having their own indexer would be some kind of way around the DMCA issue.

The reason I was investigating was that I figured by querying the servers directly, I could access content faster than by using binsearch. I wish I has already tested this theory so I could confirm (or deny) this.

Cheers,
EQ

That is my train of thought also.


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said by El Quintron:

The reason I was investigating was that I figured by querying the servers directly, I could access content faster than by using binsearch. I wish I has already tested this theory so I could confirm (or deny) this.

Are you running on your home internet connection? It is going to be a bandwidth intensive application especially if you expect to stay on top of sites like binsearch and want to index more than a few groups. Essentially Newsnab logs in every X number of minutes to grab updated headers for your pre-specified group(s). Set the number of minutes to low and you will end up with a huge backlog as newsnab tries to catch up since it may not have completed the previous update(s) especially on high traffic groups. Set it to high..and you might as well just stick with Binsearch as there machines will download and process faster than your home based connection will be able too.

I think 2-5 groups for your own personal indexer is doable.
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said by sandman_1:

The DMCAs being issued were because of the indexing sites like Matrix. The algorithm that the copyright trolls are using is nothing more than a glorified spam filter. In other words, they were using these indexing sites to do their work for them. If they didn't have "public" sites to work off of, I guarantee you that the DMCA notices would drastically reduce on their own.

I believe the indexing sites were nothing but a tool to do a little "clean up" to get the harder to find articles that their own newsnab type indexer may have missed.
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said by swintec:

I think 2-5 groups for your own personal indexer is doable.

That would meet my needs, my first go is going to be for a single group, and if I like it, I'll start monitoring the 2-5 that I use the most.
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having your own indexer is useless if your service provider deletes the files.