Topic 'Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?' in forum 'Filesharing Software' - dslreports.com

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:40:47 EDT

anon posted : OK, makes sense. I'm not sure what I need to do now. I don't know if you guys are supposed to do this but can you point me in a direction so I can either find alternatives or solutions or something? Thanks

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:25:28 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by DM :

Am I understanding we are now unable to get .nzb files? I have tried several .nzbs and all say article not found through alt.binz.

There are two different things here: nzb files and the actual Usenet posts/articles.

NZB files are alive and well. Each NZB file is just a list of Usenet articles to go and grab that make up the whole "thing" (where "thing" is a movie, tv show, binary, whatever).

What happens is that the Usenet provider (where all the articles are stored that make up that "thing") gets a DMCA takedown request (due to copyright violation) and so some/most/all of the articles that make up that "thing" are removed and you are no longer able to download your "thing".
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:14:41 EDT

anon posted : OK, I am feeling incredibly stupid as well as confused. I hope I'm understanding what you guys are saying and not making a complete idiot of myself. Am I understanding we are now unable to get .nzb files? I have tried several .nzbs and all say article not found through alt.binz. I've done some searching via Google and am not finding the answers. I hope I landed on the correct spot here. Would someone lead me to where I need to go to get info please?

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:05:52 EDT

albundyhere posted : having your own indexer is useless if your service provider deletes the files.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:37:29 EDT

sandman_1 posted : No, it is a series of tubes, Intertubes. And it gets clogged ya know...

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:33:32 EDT

darcilicious posted : I think you meant The Interwebs!!
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:25:00 EDT

v35_pilot posted :

said by Rojo:

Don't know what the word means, huh? It's okay.

Mine was a general comment about this thread's direction but feel free to resort to personal putdowns. It is, after all, THE Internets.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:12:51 EDT

Rojo posted : All your definite articles are belong to us.

Was replying to him, about the word "pretentious."
My but this is getting pedantic.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:01:32 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Rojo:

Don't know what the word means, huh? It's okay.

It has no "meaning" in either connotation, or denotation. It is just a "definite article". Some languages have it; Spanish in two genders and cases, German in three genders and four cases. Others don't; definitely Japanese, possibly Chinese, as well.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:35:22 EDT

Rojo posted : Don't know what the word means, huh? It's okay.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:15:33 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Martinus:

Oh, semantics.

More like euphonics.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:03:34 EDT

Martinus posted :

said by NormanS:

said by Martinus:

Couldn't find it on the Usenet or on the P2P, but found it on the IRC

Too many "the". Waist of bytes. :)

But you use Internet to surf Web, yes?

Oh, semantics.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:07:50 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Martinus:

Couldn't find it on the Usenet or on the P2P, but found it on the IRC

Too many "the". Waist of bytes. :)

But you use Internet to surf Web, yes?
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:54:30 EDT

Martinus posted :

said by darcilicious:

I have never ever generally seen it referred to as "the Usenet" as a matter of fact. Point to Rojo.

Couldn't find it on the Usenet or on the P2P, but found it on the IRC

Too many "the". Waist of bytes. :)

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:59 EDT

v35_pilot posted :

said by Rojo:

It just sounds pretentious, is all.

So does this trivial quibble over the word, "the."

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:11:03 EDT

Rojo posted : Neither their Italian, French nor even Dutch page calls it 'the Usenet.'

Simply Usenet.

»it.usenet.nl/usenet/
»fr.usenet.nl/usenet/
»nl.usenet.nl/usenet/

It just sounds pretentious, is all.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:00:08 EDT

NormanS posted : »usenetlearningcenter.com/usenet-···enet.php

»www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Usenet-News-H···x27.html

»www.newshosting.com/en/how-is-th···ized.php

»www.usenext.com/

P.S. You can't read Dutch? It's like a sibling to English; nothing like trying to translate Japanese!

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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:33:01 EDT

darcilicious posted : From a site in the Netherlands? Where the official language is Dutch and things get "lost in translation"? Yes, find a better source with a reference to "the Usenet".

Wikipedia says Usenet sans "the".
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:29:20 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by darcilicious:

I have never ever generally seen it referred to as "the Usenet" as a matter of fact. Point to Rojo.

»en.usenet.nl/usenet/

Shall I look for more references?
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 16:26:10 EDT

darcilicious posted : I have never ever generally seen it referred to as "the Usenet" as a matter of fact. Point to Rojo.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:11:26 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Rojo:

What's this "the Usenet" all the time?

As contrasted with, "the Web".

Come on man it's 2013, not 1979.

Not according to any normal calendar.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:43:07 EDT

Rojo posted : What's this "the Usenet" all the time?
Come on man it's 2013, not 1979.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:39:51 EDT

NormanS posted : If it has NNTP support it is an NNTP client. MSOEXP was the worst of both worlds; NNTP and E-mail.

In any case, whether you accessed the Usenet with an E-mail client that had NNTP support, or an NNTP client that had E-mail support, the Usenet was only accessible through an E-mail service if you used a "mail-to-news" service. Most ISPs did not operate such a service.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:17:35 EDT

DDR4040 posted :

said by sandman_1:

said by NormanS:

said by billhere:

I can't access usenet through my ISP's e-mail system any more but I can through an Internet source.

I have never been able to access the Usenet through any ISP's e-mail system. Always used their NNTP service, and an NNTP client.

Some email clients (Outlook Express for instance) have NNTP support. I use to get my files on Usenet this way a long time ago: download articles, decode them, unrar them or repair, ect..

Yup, same here. ISP's used to give away free Usenet access. I definitely used Outlook Express with Earthlink Dialup, although I was mainly using it for the text based hobby groups, not binaries.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:23:12 EDT

sandman_1 posted :

said by NormanS:

said by billhere:

I can't access usenet through my ISP's e-mail system any more but I can through an Internet source.

I have never been able to access the Usenet through any ISP's e-mail system. Always used their NNTP service, and an NNTP client.

Some email clients (Outlook Express for instance) have NNTP support. I use to get my files on Usenet this way a long time ago: download articles, decode them, unrar them or repair, ect..

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:40:17 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by billhere:

I can't access usenet through my ISP's e-mail system any more but I can through an Internet source.

I have never been able to access the Usenet through any ISP's e-mail system. Always used their NNTP service, and an NNTP client.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:23:11 EDT

billhere posted : Usenet discussion groups certainly aren't getting the play they used to. However the alt.binaries groups still seem to be thriving.

I can't access usenet through my ISP's e-mail system any more but I can through an Internet source.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:23:40 EDT

mr_slick posted : Long live IRC!!!

even though i have not used it in a long long time....

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:46:12 EDT

St0ry posted :

said by imtim83:

Learn how to get the tv shows the secret way ! :D

These types of posts are very helpful, thank you.

Anyways astraweb seems to have cleared up their posting issues and binsearch is working just fine for tv shows and movies.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:14:01 EDT

imtim83 posted :

said by NormanS:

said by imtim83:

Learn how to get the tv shows the secret way ! :D

I could reveal "The Secret Way"; but then it wouldn't be a secret any more! :p

I don't care if you do.

Like I said that is up to you. At least I know I did everything in my power.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:04:44 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by imtim83:

Learn how to get the tv shows the secret way ! :D

I could reveal "The Secret Way"; but then it wouldn't be a secret any more! :p
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:55:17 EDT

imtim83 posted : Learn how to get the tv shows the secret way ! :D

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:35:30 EDT

sandman_1 posted : Binsearch are doing maintenance at the moment so maybe there is some problem on their end, IDK.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:06:29 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Super search has been useless for anything recent

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:59:27 EDT

St0ry posted : I've just been using Binsearch and came across a lot that are incomplete beyond repair. Tried making NZBs with NZBIndex and getting the same results.

Besides Supersearch are there any other alternatives?

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:31:05 EDT

swintec posted :

said by St0ry:

Seems like Astraweb is having issues again with posting?

I have been playing with things tonight and I see that if I use Binsearch to make the NZBs they are incomplete, some quite badly. Using Supersearch and they come down fine. I checked headers directly and things are there just fine for a complete download. What indexer are you using?
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:52:45 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by NormanS:

said by darcilicious:

Yes, it's pretty amazing what happens when you follow the instructions. And again, not need to "figure out the tech behind it" -- I use all sorts of apps and programs without understanding the "tech behind it".

Excellent, good for you, never said otherwise, *for* *you*. I've very obviously been sharing my own personal experience which you have been determined to debate.

What do you know about LiDAR data, MrSID and LAS formats? I'd rather RTFM the Lizardtech software while listening to tunes on a familiar player than RTFM a new player.

Variety is the spice of life and all that. I'd rather open up the media player on my HTPC connected to my 47" HDTV and boom, have my favorite TV shows at my finger tips.

said by NormanS:

said by darcilicious:

If this is an example of your reading comprehension, then that might explain why you have problems doing anything more than using Google.

Ad hominem: I am done with this debate! There is nothing to say in response to logical fallacy.

Okay dokay, have a nice evening!
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:41:37 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by darcilicious:

Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. Always RTFM. But when I find it easier to work with what I know than to RTFM something new, I will decide if it is worth the investment of my time to learn something new, or just go with what I already know.

What do you know about LiDAR data, MrSID and LAS formats? I'd rather RTFM the Lizardtech software while listening to tunes on a familiar player than RTFM a new player.

If this is an example of your reading comprehension, then that might explain why you have problems doing anything more than using Google.

Ad hominem: I am done with this debate! There is nothing to say in response to logical fallacy.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:40:15 EDT

swintec posted :

said by darcilicious:

*sigh*

:D

lol fixed.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:37:55 EDT

darcilicious posted : *sigh*

:D

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:37:34 EDT

swintec posted :

said by St0ry:

Seems like Astraweb is having issues again with posting? Or have the dmca takedowns gotten incredibly fast now? (This is in regards to recent American television shows).

Does seem like more propagation issues yet again. *sigh!*
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:27:01 EDT

darcilicious posted : Oh, apparently I WAS wrong about something, and that's what I get for assuming what I thought was obvious and giving CBS the benefit of the doubt. I stated:

said by darcilicious:

Further, you've got corporations/networks like CBS that only make their full episodes available via a web browser (at least until next year) [...]

This was in reference to CBS shows coming to Hulu+ starting next month. Unfortunately, those CBS shows will be the older, currently not airing shows. Thanks a lot, CBS.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:14:47 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by NormanS:

said by darcilicious:

said by NormanS:

I find that opening an iTunes/Netflix/Hulu/Vudu/Crunchyroll account takes less effort than figuring out the tech behind Newzbin, and the like.

Good heavens, no need to do that. I didn't have to "figure out the tech behind" anything to get DVR-like functionality.

You just downloaded an application, ran it, and it worked? Amazing.

Netflix search was no harder to use than Google.

I'm sorry, where exactly did I say it was?

What I said was:

I find that opening Netflix, then Hulu, then Vudu, then Amazon and still NOT finding the episode I want to watch a lot of effort and way annoying to boot.

If this is an example of your reading comprehension, then that might explain why you have problems doing anything more than using Google.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:11:51 EDT

St0ry posted : Seems like Astraweb is having issues again with posting? Or have the dmca takedowns gotten incredibly fast now? (This is in regards to recent American television shows).

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:43:30 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by darcilicious:

said by NormanS:

I find that opening an iTunes/Netflix/Hulu/Vudu/Crunchyroll account takes less effort than figuring out the tech behind Newzbin, and the like.

Good heavens, no need to do that. I didn't have to "figure out the tech behind" anything to get DVR-like functionality.

You just downloaded an application, ran it, and it worked? Amazing. Damned near every media streaming application I have tried required configuring, and tweaking before use.

Netflix search was no harder to use than Google.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:34:30 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by NormanS:

I find that opening an iTunes/Netflix/Hulu/Vudu/Crunchyroll account takes less effort than figuring out the tech behind Newzbin, and the like.

Good heavens, no need to do that. I didn't have to "figure out the tech behind" anything to get DVR-like functionality.

I find that opening Netflix, then Hulu, then Vudu, then Amazon and still NOT finding the episode I want to watch a lot of effort and way annoying to boot.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:24:48 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by Maven:

said by NormanS:

What "path of least resistance"?

Not paying anything. If you know how, or can get a quick crash course for doing so, you'll most likely pirate stuff. I don't want to lump everyone in the same basket, but that's what I mean by "least resistance".

Weird. Because in normal usage, "path of least resistance" is that which requires the least expenditure of effort to get a result. I find that opening an iTunes/Netflix/Hulu/Vudu/Crunchyroll account takes less effort than figuring out the tech behind Newzbin, and the like.

Path of least resistance? Hardly. The pirates will pirate. Period. Maybe for the thrill of it. Maybe to show they are geekier than I. Maybe to "stick it to The Man".

No, it's to avoid paying for their entertainment.

How is that different from, "Stick it to the Man"?

The MPAA/RIAA has not begun to put a dent in piracy. Why do you think they keep going back to the U.S. Congress, seeking ever more Draconian copyright laws?

Well as the point of this topic will tell you, TV shows and movies are harder and harder to find. Torrents expose you. The piracy avenues are shrinking. Even music is harder than in the Napster and Kazaa days.

What this topic tells me is that the next round of "Whack-A-Mole" is about to begin, and that the MPAA/RIAA will need newer, bigger mallets with which to hammer the pirates.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:07:27 EDT

Rrascal posted :

said by Maven:

Well as the point of this topic will tell you, TV shows and movies are harder and harder to find. Torrents expose you. The piracy avenues are shrinking.

You have it backwards. they are expanding and will continue to do so. The topic post illuminates the success of one model of content sharing which became insanely easy that we all knew it would be attacked. . This past year there was an explosion in ease of access. Essentially anyone from nearly any demographic with 30 to 60 minutes to read a lifehacker article and 30 to 60 minutes minutes to set things up could get all the premium content they wanted dumped onto their machine for free -- and unattended. You could do this with a synology box for goodness sakes.

Public NZB indexing, sbeard, sab and other incredibly mature mechanisms -- and their ability to be integrated and automated by non tech savvy users created a massive upswing and a corresponding response by the content owner reps.

But long term trends, even with these events, is that shared content even outside of usenet is more ubiquitous, there are more and more methods, there are increasingly safe methods. VPN usage is skyrocketing. Joe Suit knows how to do it because his employer requires it now, he has been implementing it on his self owned tablet etc. And college kids know all about it because of school wan limits.

Even if you are not tech savvy, a 4TB hdd can be bought for $170. Two of those is pretty much everything decent in x264 every made, and one sees what we called the sneakernet in the late 70's and early 80's quite popular now in offices and for that matter your local PTA. Cops do it in police stations. Certainly nearly every member of the US armed forces is familiar with it. For ten years it has practically a requirement of deployment to bring a couple of TB of the newest stuff on an hdd along with you. Everyone simply copies it. It promulgates virally in physical media without touching the net. BD encryption is blown and so is itunes and webdl so the sneakernet will be the fallback for the hoi polloi if draconian hits on the net continue.

I have a friend who pays for premium content but who also enjoys BBC documentaries that simply don't make it stateside. They learned how to get it safely and quickly with no risk. Before that smart dad's learned how to break DVD encryption, and then BD encryption. Until CSS was cracked the content companies made you pay full premium rebuy for scratched disks. After that was no longer a market the content companies did the right thing by replacing scratched disks, but they did it because they could no longer force people to do a full rebuy without risk of broadening the base of people who knew how to easily break encryption. The same thing happened with audio files and mp3 with the album model..

The problem remains the content pricing and sales model. Its creates the impetus, leads people to learn how to get around it, and it recreates it with every supposed setback.

Ultimately when you read about a set back, such as DCMA takedowns of usenet content or throttling of paypal to indexing sites, you know you are reading about last year's method of illicit obtaining of content.

Again your claim that "avenues are shrinking" is, with all respect, a claim that has been made a dozen times over decades now. It is obviously expanding and it cant be stopped. The demand needs to be looked at and retail models with lower costs, more choice and faster access considered.

Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:17:42 EDT

elwoodblues posted :

said by NormanS:

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The MPAA/RIAA has not begun to put a dent in piracy. Why do you think they keep going back to the U.S. Congress, seeking ever more Draconian copyright laws?

Just like the "War on Drugs" an utter failure.
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Re: It is possible? Usenet is Dead?

Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:13:54 EDT

seamore posted :

said by Archivis:

Which is why people charge a $10 fee to get in. It's a bit of a curve to get set up on your own.

yeah, probably beyond my learning curve.
thanks