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Re: Voltage-Hurt Locker Lawsuit Round 2 Against Teksavvy Users

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Madame,
Monsieur,

Nous avons reçu votre courriel concernant une possible dérogation à la Charte de la langue française. Nous vous assurons que votre demande sera analysée.

Veuillez agréer, Madame, Monsieur, nos salutations distinguées.

La Direction du traitement des plaintes
Office québécois de la langue française

Édifice Camille-Laurin
125, rue Sherbrooke Ouest
Montréal (Québec) H2X 1X4

plaintes@oqlf.gouv.qc.ca



sssssss

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reply to yuuuup
done!


hm

@videotron.ca
said by sssssss :

done!

I'm going to do the same, but I plan on taking it a step further when I get a chance to do this tonight.

Everyone should file a complaint with the OLF.


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reply to yuuuup
said by yuuuup :

Actually, you could. It is a requirement for a business in Qc.

The OLF site even have forms ready for you to lodge your complaint:
»www.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/francisation···nte.html

Maybe we should all do it.

I can't read that.



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said by AkFubar:

Hmmm looks shady. Canipre set up in the back room of a depanneur?

Looks totally shady. Just like his client. Match made in heaven there. tell you what.

Goofy and dopey trying to cash in on totally shit movies. So funny.

Motion denied. Nothing to see here. [waives hand] Move along.

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reply to AkFubar
I see a Canada Post sign there ... most likely the address is a PO BOX


random

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It could also be the office upstairs. Suite 307

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reply to stormy13
said by stormy13:

»maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rl···gQ_AUoAA

said by dillyhammer:

The company leading the charge.

Canipre
15400 Pierrefonds Blv
Suite 307
Montreal, Quebec
H9H 5L5

»canipre.com/

Has anyone (DSLr types) in Montreal gone to see if this company has a real office or if it's just a PO Box? In the photo it looks like the store on the ground floor may be a postal outlet w/maiboxes.

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reply to dillyhammer
Google translate

Madam,
sir,

We received your email regarding a possible exception to the Charter of the French language. We assure you that your request will be analyzed.

Please accept, Madam, Sir, Yours faithfully.

Directorate of Complaints
Quebec Office of the French Language

And yes I saw your
I'm posting this "for the children"


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reply to MaynardKrebs
Verified.
It is a P.O. BOX at Canada Post which is in the Depanneur

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Any company that uses a mail box and hides its offices has something to hide.


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I wish someone in Montréal would check out this company and see if they are trying to run themselves through a post office box illegally.

Can someone tell us English folks how to complain about the language situation?

Any of you know what production company in Burnaby supposedly won something in federal court last week?
»blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/11/2···planned/

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NGN

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The name of the company should be found in the second link given in the first post of this topic.

pegcitynet

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reply to hm
Can someone in MTL stop by the address and confirm?

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The violations of the Charte de la langue française:

58. L'affichage public et la publicité commerciale doivent se faire en français.

Ils peuvent également être faits à la fois en français et dans une autre langue pourvu que le français y figure de façon nettement prédominante.

Toutefois, le gouvernement peut déterminer, par règlement, les lieux, les cas, les conditions ou les circonstances où l'affichage public et la publicité commerciale doivent se faire uniquement en français ou peuvent se faire sans prédominance du français ou uniquement dans une autre langue.

58. Public signs and posters and commercial advertising must be in French.

They may also be both in French and in another language provided that French is markedly predominant.

However, the Government may determine, by regulation, the places, cases, conditions or circumstances where public signs and posters and commercial advertising must be in French only, where French need not be predominant or where such signs, posters and advertising may be in another language only.

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Advertising must be done in French. It can also be done in another language as long as French is the predominant language. Web sites are a form of advertising.

Cite that article in your complaints.


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reply to bbbc
said by bbbc:

Any of you know what production company in Burnaby supposedly won something in federal court last week?
»blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/11/2···planned/

It's not about the production company. Canpire's managing director Barry Logan is talking about how his company has millions of Canadian IPs, and now that the rulings on the implementation of Bill C-11 and the Copyright Modernization Act have passed, rights holders (if they pay Canpire enough to get those IPs) can now send copyright infringement notices to ISPs.



hm

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reply to pegcitynet
hm, Even the name of this company may not be within the language charter norms:
"Canadian Intellectual Property Enforcement" (Short form: CANIPRE).
Sections: 63 to 68.


hm

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I think there might be more that can be added to this.

Specifically if this software is only in english, thus prints out in english only.

So when the extortion letters come, or the notices (ie. communication to the public) there is normally some proof given. A print out with time stamps etc from the software that captured the data. this too must be communicated in french to Quebecers.

Not sure where in the language charter that would be, but when I worked for a company there we got nailed with this, along with an english only piece of marketing material at a trade show.

What also has me curious is that this company, Canipre is not a federal undertaking (not a fed telecom company), thus they fall under the Quebec charter of rights and freedoms which has its very own privacy built in that is different than federal privacy legislation. So there might be some fuzzy stuff here as well that may not be compliant when they target people (or IP's) and send extortion letters. It costs nothing to file a complaint under the Quebec charter as far as I know.

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There is also the right of consumers to receive products and services in French. What if you are a non-professional artist who wants to contract their services in French to protect your copyright? That could classify you as consumer and give you a complaint under:

5. Les consommateurs de biens ou de services ont le droit d'être informés et servis en français.

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There was a link earlier in this thread to the complaints page where you can submit a complaint in writing as a .doc or a .pdf.

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reply to hm
said by hm :

Something else that also bothers me that I'd like to know an answer to.

In TSI's blog they stated they found errors and so forth that require correction/clarification with voltage.

If the copyright lawyers go after you, have your lawyer ask Teksavvy for a list of the errors that Teksavvy found. One way of fighting plaintiff's testimony is to destroy the credibility of their testimony/witnesses. This is a standard legal tactic.

pegcitynet

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»copyrightenforcement.ca/

There are a bunch of posts on that blog from "Robin Berry", the founder of Canipre.


random

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reply to bbbc
Since the courts say that it is okay for the telco/cableco to charge processing fees at $200 per IP address look up, all of the smaller ISP contacted so far should also send in a bill. May be that fee make making it less profitable to extort people into settlements so they haven't bother the Teleco/Cableco again/yet.

If all the ISP out there do that, it would cost the IP troll $200M to go through that 1 million IP list... For that, someone could make a profitable movie.


testcaseinCA

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reply to Walter Dnes
this is a test to see how much revenue they can get.....if they have a case of 2300 against teksavvy imagine how many abuses occur on the bell network....but they dont have the money to take on the bell legal department and they know it....this is a probe and teksavvy should stand upto it and tell them to go stuff it. really that is what this is all about and hopefully teksavvy doesnt cave in...they should wait and see who gets the next round of notices and then move forward. and teksavvy dont give out any info or send any emails to your clients until this group tries this on bell rogers videotron (especially videotron in quebec) telus or shaw.....till they try to take you all down let the legal people tell them they dont have a leg to stand on by trying to pick on your company


MadCow

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reply to hm
This is worth viewing and explains the whole logic (or lack of) of (c)opyright maths:

»www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8···pod.html

Really its worth the 5 minutes and every politician involved in copyright law should HAVE TO watch it. The motion picture and music industry would like to have us believe that we should spend millions of precious tax payer dollars to help them police their ip and that somehow this will result in us getting additional tax dollars from their industry. The truth is they've already figured out that the cost of protecting their ip doesn't add up to the additional revenue it can create, so they are passing along the bill to us hoping we're too stupid to realize its going to cost us more than what we'll get back.


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Nasser Entertainment / Nasser Group North location

This is the shithole known as Nasser Entertainment / Nasser Group North / NGN Productions / NGN Prima Productions, »goo.gl/maps/wdtG9 , located in Burnaby, British Columbia. Notice how the company got Google Maps to blur their location out. The office is an old dump and the signage looks like it came from Broderbund's Print Shop. It's so happening it is adjacent to an effing paint store. Oh, and right down the street from the oldest tired Costco in BC. Why didn't the newspaper publish the name of the production company, what's the big deal?

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Re: Voltage-Hurt Locker Lawsuit Round 2 Against Teksavvy Users

said by random :

Since the courts say that it is okay for the telco/cableco to charge processing fees at $200 per IP address look up, all of the smaller ISP contacted so far should also send in a bill. May be that fee make making it less profitable to extort people into settlements so they haven't bother the Teleco/Cableco again/yet.

If all the ISP out there do that, it would cost the IP troll $200M to go through that 1 million IP list... For that, someone could make a profitable movie.

A quote from Barry Logan,

"Rumour has it that some ISPs are asking anywhere from $40 to $200 per address for IP address reconciliation. For even a modest request for 1,000 records is going to cost a fortune. At $40 per address its absurd. At $200 its impossible."

Awe.. boo hoo. The big boys know the game you're trying to play, the problem for you though is, they are better at that game, and always will be.

Time for the big boys to raise the rate to $1000 per IP request!


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said by xsbell:

Time for the big boys to raise the rate to $1000 per IP request!

Actually lets make that $8,500 per IP request, and have our TISP's use those funds to get more modems approved on our behalf.
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Chialeux2

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Re: Nasser Entertainment / Nasser Group North location

Does Voltage have distribution rights of any of the movies uploaded in Canada? If not they may have no case at all...


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Re: Voltage-Hurt Locker Lawsuit Round 2 Against Teksavvy Users

said by xsbell:

A quote from Barry Logan,

"Rumour has it that some ISPs are asking anywhere from $40 to $200 per address for IP address reconciliation. For even a modest request for 1,000 records is going to cost a fortune. At $40 per address its absurd. At $200 its impossible."

Awe.. boo hoo. The big boys know the game you're trying to play, the problem for you though is, they are better at that game, and always will be.

Time for the big boys to raise the rate to $1000 per IP request!

What is the source of this quote? Normally when you quote someone you paste the link. It's only common courtesy...

Meanwhile this is something I was saying to tekavvy before this news hit. See this topic: »Blog: Recent Developments in Canadian Copyright Law

1. They have to retain certain peoples data for extended periods of time. From 6 months to one year, or a few months if it's dropped in court.

Someone has to go through that list of people and retain that. Attach court doc to it and whatever else.

2. People have the right to contact Teksavvy's privacy officer (which is Canadian law to have). Teksavvy's CEO wears that hat. His time is not close to 40$/hr. How many CEO's of a multimillion dollar compant are worth only 40$/hr? Tell me. The dinkiest 1 million dollar company CEO is well over 100$/hr.

Now since he is Priv officer, he will be taking the calls and doing the action.

People have a right to call and get all the info on their file w/ the most minimal of costs to them (per law).

People have the right to contact TSI if any lawsuit is dropped and to have these retained files trashed.

People have the right to contact TSI after 6-months or 1 year to demand this retention file be deleted.

People have the right to contact TSI and file a formal letter with them that the data, or court order, or whatever from Canipre or the law firm is wrong. Teksavvy *has* to (per law) take it and amend this to the customers file they are retaining.

Then you will have the basket cases who just can't grasp what is going on and which will require more time.

This is just one function, the privacy officer hat that the Teksavvy CEO is wearing. And that isn't close to 40$.

Do you think the above is worth 40$/IP? heh, Just the bill from the 1-800 number will cost more than that, *laff*.

Now we have to look at the staff pulled out of Teksavvy's production or regular course of work to look into all 2300 IP's and triple check that all is correct.

Then the employee's who are contacting these 2300 people and who will be contacted by these 2300 people with a billion questions.

Then there is teksavvy's legal advice to properly handle all these mass requests.

Then there is the overhead of maintaining all of this.

Then there is replacement employee's brought in to replace the people taking care of this headache in order to keep their production, or phones, or work going.

Then there are additional costs for translating each and every doc, as required, into French. The over head for that, and the bilingual people for that.

Then there will be the problem IP's (nothing is cut and dry) and triple checking of those problems ones w/ Rogers to Modem MAC. Will Rogers work for free? heh, I don't think so. So that has to be costed. And Rogers charges the most out of all of them as we found out.
Are we still at 40$ per IP?? Are we? You tell me.

There are likely lots more things involved here that have to be carefully costed so Teksavvy doesn't end up losing anything with these mass extortion schemes.

They aren't in the "Let Us Help You Extort Inc." Businesses. Do you see this on TSI's Business card: "We Help Extort for free"? Tell me. Do you?

If this clown thinks there are no direct costs, no direct labour costs, no ancillary costs, and no overhead associated with all this, then this guy is as much of a clown as he looks.

TSI won't even break even at 40$/IP. They, in effect, would be working for CANIPRE and Voltage for free.

Maybe something these Americans don't realize is that companies here have a requirement to have a privacy officer (in this case it's the CEO) and all that comes with it per privcom.gc.ca, and a requirement for bilingualism.

I'm guesstimating the direct costs will be no be less than 125$ per IP. "No less". And that is being conservative.

This clown is out to lunch.

Now, give me the link to this clowns quote you dug up.


hm

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reply to xsbell
I found your quote.

He made the comment to the shill site here:
»copyrightenforcement.ca/takedown···delayed/

40$ is a joke with all that's involved. It doesn't matter if it's 1 IP or 10,000 IP's the same work as detailed in the other post has to be performed. If not, people can go against the ISP at privcom or the OLF or whatever.


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Something is definitely fishy about CANIPRE.

They have a PO BOX adress, and as far as I know, nothing under that name is registered with the REQ. So either it's not a real registered company, or they're hiding under a fake name.

And "Robin Berry", as far as I can tell, is most probably also a fake alias.