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Then because of the integration your car will be useless.

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What i'd like to know is... Will it post to Facebook? :p

You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue. Why else would you have a speed limit of 35 on a relatively straight 4 lane road that isn't near a school zone and has few traffic lights.

You're of course ignoring all of the signs that are set artificially low to generate revenue.

Those who think it's idiotic to ignore a sign and then complain at the consequences of ignoring that sign.

(You'll note that I don't say "you should not ignore the sign")

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'Black Box' Data Recorders Required In All New Cars

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Unless an engineer says the speed limit is warranted, I don't recognize it.

Having driven Maui's Hana road Form Kahului to Twin falls and back, I'd say anyone going 55 on that road would have to be nuts.

When an EMP goes off, even your 46 year old car won't work. There is still an electrical system in there that provides you with spark. The battery cranks your car, the alternator sustains the running motor by providing the energy for the spark to ignite the fuel. Have fun pushing it and hoping that the alternator isn't fried in it.

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Cars dying: Some say that all vehicles traveling will come to a halt, with all modern vehicles damaged because of their use of modern electronics (and one movie even had a bulk, non-electronic part dying). Most likely there will be some vehicles affected, but probably just a small fraction of them (although this could create traffic jams in large cities). A car does not have very long cabling to act as antennas, and there is some protection from metallic construction. As non-metallic materials are used more and more in the future to decrease weight and increase fuel efficiency, this advantage may disappear.

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It's 46 years old and I'm going to be driving after an EMP burst in the coming apocalypse unless you got a bigger gun that me.

The black box will be intricately integrated into the ECU and be next to impossible for the average person to negate.

I've already said I won't buy.

Resistance is not futile, and it doesn't have to be spectacular. Some people have always resisted when ideas like this get started - they resisted the Nazis, they resisted the Communists. They didn't all blow up bridges like in the movies, either. Eventually these regimes fail.

As for your "dark ages" comment, ponder the idea that some of those dark ages serfs had more actual freedom and led better lives. Shiny isn't automagically good.

And that's why I don't want a little electronic snitch raising my insurance rates just because some insurance bean counter's definition of safety doesn't match reality.

This is not a step forward. However, it would facilitate legislators' ability to tax based on miles driven instead of gas purchased, for example. A whole other can of worms ...

Really guys? Investigation of an accident where criminal charges might be involved you think you should be able to hide evidence, so you can lie about what happened, and duck the consequences, ya right. If you think this is acceptable, your idea of rights are completely screwed.

Blake

Whoopeedo. Better never visit Hawaii. The speed limit in this state is 55 mph and you MIGHT (usually not though) get away with 60 mph but above that you will be ticketed and that means a mandatory 50% surcharge on your insurance policy for three years (5 years in California and talk of that here in the state legislature). That means a $1200 policy will cost you almost $2000 a year for three years...fine if you are well-to-do but the average person here finds it a struggle so, consequently, most drivers obey the law. Link Logger thinks it is amusing that folks here feel that the other side of the Big Island is a long drive...it IS at 55 mph on a curvy two lane highway with deep gulches, hairpin curves, boulder landslides, flooding, fog in several areas, steep curvy downhill/uphill 20 mile section scenic, yes, but geared for tourists not locals who don't have 4+ hours in one day to devote to driving over and back nor have $30-50 to spend on gas for 5-6 hours on the other side.

Link Logger thinks it is amusing that folks here feel that the other side of the Big Island is a long drive ...

Our modern belief in the sufficiency and supremacy of technology borders on the idolatrous.

Link Logger thinks it is amusing that folks here feel that the other side of the Big Island is a long drive...it IS at 55 mph on a curvy two lane highway with deep gulches, hairpin curves, boulder landslides, flooding, fog in several areas, steep curvy downhill/uphill 20 mile section scenic, yes, but geared for tourists not locals who don't have 4+ hours in one day to devote to driving over and back.

Really guys? Investigation of an accident where criminal charges might be involved you think you should be able to hide evidence, so you can lie about what happened, and duck the consequences, ya right. If you think this is acceptable, your idea of rights are completely screwed. ...

As of 2012 almost all auto manufacturers had these in anticipation of NHTSA requirements. Honda signed an agreement in Sept 12 with Bosch for a publicly available read out tool (to fulfill NHTSA requirements). The tool is probably expensive but you can buy one. Honda's EDR only records if the airbag deploys...so has to be a bad accident. It doesn't record much either. Nothing like OnStar in all GM cars for many years now. My previous car (Ford 1998) did not have an EDR but by 2001 model my Ford started having them. I can't imagine anyone not using the seatbelt (that is recorded on my Honda's EDR if there is an accident that causes airbag deployment) as the beeping is extremely loud, extremely obnoxious, and very distracting. But the car is satisfied if only the lapbelt is on...it is the shoulder belt that is so awfully uncomfortable and causes accidents because you cannot see to back up so I always remove it then) but you can wear it under your arm, tie it to lap belt so it is not on you at all and the car is ok with that and the EDR would record you were wearing a seat belt).

Here's the list of what cars now have EDR's and if they don't when they will:

www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/Event_Data_Recorder.pdf

That 'black box ' belongs to me . i purchased the vehicle and i'm not giving you permission to remove it or access any data it may contain ......

... "some vehicle models have had recorders since the early 1990s"

How old is the vehicle you currently drive? You may not need to buy a new car to have this technology tattle on you.

It's because most of the people are intent on FB and other distracting activities WHILE DRIVING!

Texting is more important than paying attention to traffic lights. You pass a school bus by using a sidewalk. "Hurray for me and to hell with the rest of the world"

If someone had figure out a good way to police these idiots, the more responsible people would be left alone.