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Mele20
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reply to StuartMW

Re: Java Updates/Java SE 6 Update 38/Java SE 7u10

said by StuartMW:

said by Mele20:

So, do I have both on my Windows 8?

You should. My Win7 x64 box has both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of IE9.

How do I tell which version of IE is being used? It doesn't say in "About IE".

I guess 32 bit is what I have on Win 8 because I only have 32 bit version of Java and IE 10 just did a speed test that requires Java. Java is not built into IE 10 is it (like Flash is)?
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StuartMW
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IE9 64-bit
On my Win7 x64 box I have two shortcuts (pre-installed).

Internet Explorer (64-bit)
Internet Explorer

IE10 does come in a 64-bit version (»www.microsoft.com/en-us/download···id=35709) but perhaps it wasn't pre-installed by Dell on your Win8 machine.
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Dustyn
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I don't know how you update your systems but I don't use any part of the update mechanism (not even the Check for Updates Now) as I disabled it on my rigs. I just go to Oracle.com to obtain the latest builds when reported. If the update mechanism works for you, great! Whether the updater checks Java.com or Oracle.com... I don't know. But there have been many update threads in the past that have shown that it did not always work to correctly detect an updated build. But if there is an update to Java online, you can bet it will already be on Oracle.com before it hits Java.com. As you yourself pointed out earlier in the thread.
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Mele20
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My About IE doesn't say whether it is 32 bit or 64 bit.


DrStrange
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Anybody having trouble with this update and Firefox?

I updated and Firefox lost Java. I checked the FF plugins and it wants to download the plugin for 7u9 again.



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said by Mele20:

My About IE doesn't say whether it is 32 bit or 64 bit.

Well the 32-bit version of IE9 doesn't say anything either.
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said by DrStrange:

Anybody having trouble with this update and Firefox?

No issue here with FF v17.0.1 and Java SE 7u10.

Did you uninstall the previous Java version first (with FF closed)?
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DrStrange
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No. Never had to do that before.

I already tried uninstalling 7u10 and re-installing. I'll try rolling back to 7u9, then uninstalling that and installing 7u10. If that doesn't work, I'll have to find an uninstaller or muck around in the registry and delete all the keys which pertain to Java Runtime.

EDIT: Rolling back to 7u9, uninstalling that and then installing 7u10 worked.



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I think you have to have "Enable Enhanced Protected Mode" enabled in IE advanced options in order to use IE10 64-bit desktop. After you enable Enhanced Protected Mode, incompatible add-ons will automatically be disabled. If you encounter a site that needs an add-on such as Flash in order to work, you can disable Enhanced Protected Mode just for that particular Web site. I can't remember if the about window would tell you afterwards?
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Mele20
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Sigh...I have about 120 tabs open (great thing about Win 8 and Fx 10 ESR...it runs tons of tabs with no problems unlike on XP Pro) and I can't find the one where I have half a post already written in this thread in reply to you. (If thumbnails were working in the tabs I could locate it easier).

Anyhow, I checked in Explorer and I have both versions of IE and I am using 64 bit version that I patched yesterday. (I didn't think about needing to download the 32 bit patch also).

I also checked Java Panel and it shows in Advanced tab that Java is enabled for IE but grayed out so you cannot unenable it.

Then I went and read some articles and evidently, IE 10 (not just Metro version that I uninstalled but also desktop version) no longer uses plugins. So, I guess that is why it is grayed out in Java Panel. I also read of users complaining that Java won't work on IE 10. Maybe Web 100 sites (that is what I did for a speed test) that use Java applet are using HTML 5 or something for IE 10? I did not see the Java applet coffee cup load before the test started. It just ran when I clicked on start.

I just now did a Visualware MySpeed test (new server at Bakersfield, CA) using IE 10. That is a Java test and Java speed tests are the only reason I have Java. It ran just fine (again no indication that Java applet was loading). I'm sure Visualware is still using only Java for speed tests as they feel strongly about this. So, how am I able to use Java without a plugin on IE 10? Did Microsoft add Java to IE builtin just before Win 8 release or what????
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Mele20
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No, I have "Protected Mode" OFF and I am using IE 10 64bit.

But I see now what is happening. Since I didn't install Java 64 bit, IE 10 64 bit uses the 32 bit version. Plus, it hasn't been updated since Nov 28.

I guess using the Check for Updates button in Java Panel in Control Panel does not check for IE version but only for other browsers? Why doesn't it check for IE and if not then why doesn't it tell me it won't check for IE?

I now have a headache.

Oh, and Microsoft has not only neglected to provide proper links for Event Viewer events that link to TechNet for further information but has also failed to provide proper links in IE 10 to further information regarding these two Java plugins. I click for further information and Fx opens a Bing page with a search full of not relevant information.

The java.com page not only still has the old version but it does not even MENTION Windows 8! Oracle needs to update the entire site. It says that if I am using IE 64 bit version it will state that but that is correct for Windows 7 not Windows 8 which Java.com website doesn't even know exists. Oracle is LAZY.
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Mele20
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said by Dustyn:

I think you have to have "Enable Enhanced Protected Mode" enabled in IE advanced options in order to use IE10 64-bit desktop. After you enable Enhanced Protected Mode, incompatible add-ons will automatically be disabled. If you encounter a site that needs an add-on such as Flash in order to work, you can disable Enhanced Protected Mode just for that particular Web site. I can't remember if the about window would tell you afterwards?

Aha! It runs in 64 bit with Enhanced Protected Mode OFF but not FULLY so Oracle uses 32 bit Java for situations like this.

"Why do I only get the 32-bit Java when I go to Java.com?
Java.com provides a Java version based on your browser and operating system
(OS). If you are running a 64-bit version of Windows 8, you have access to 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Internet Explorer 10 on your system. The desktop version of the Windows 8 OS does not run in a full 64-bit mode (unless you have Enhanced Protected Mode in Internet Explorer 10 turned on), thus 32-bit Java is the default."

»www.java.com/en/download/faq/win8_faq.xml

That still does not tell me why in Java Panel on Advanced tab that IE 10 is checked but grayed out. I am hampered by the fact I did not update Java on XP for a long time so I had trouble now finding how to check to see what I have (other than using Windows Explorer and looking at files). Plus, first two tries of java.com check told me on IE that it couldn't finish checking which meant I had an old version on IE or it was badly installed. Third try at checking said I had no Java installed for IE 10 and fourth try said I needed the latest version but confirmed the "old" version Java SE7 Update 10 is working correctly. Then java.com site wanted to install the "latest" version (SE7 Update 9).

java.com is where most users will go and Oracle really needs to get the correct, latest version on there and in the areas of that site where they talk about versions of Windows they need to add Windows 8. They do have a FAQ on Java on IE on Win 8 on the site but, after reading in another section of their site that Java doesn't work past Windows 7, I never went looking for the FAQ on IE 10 on Windows 8 and just stumbled on it.
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DrDemento

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reply to slajoh01

The new update is now up at Java.com and installed seamlessly. I always uninstall the older version first through add/remove programs.



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Just update one pc and after restarting my browser and going to the verify Java page it would not detect Java. I confirmed I had the latest Java installed.

I remedy the situation by uninstalling and reinstalling Java. I never had to do this with any pass versions.
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Mele20
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I just read at Java.com Oracle's reason for NOT updating the site with the latest version right away. They are using corporate users (and computer nerds) as guinea pigs and deliberately withholding the update from java.com for seven days from its initial release in order to see if there are problems with it. If none, or minor only, surface in the first seven days, then they release it to java.com.
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Sounds about right Mele20.


ctggzg
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reply to DrStrange

said by DrStrange:

Anybody having trouble with this update and Firefox?

I updated and Firefox lost Java. I checked the FF plugins and it wants to download the plugin for 7u9 again.

Yes, same problem here. It works in IE but not Firefox or Chrome. Uninstalling first (which should never be necessary) didn't help. If I reinstall Update 9, the plugin comes back. It looks like a bug.


tonyram57

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reply to DrStrange

said by DrStrange:

No. Never had to do that before.

I already tried uninstalling 7u10 and re-installing. I'll try rolling back to 7u9, then uninstalling that and installing 7u10. If that doesn't work, I'll have to find an uninstaller or muck around in the registry and delete all the keys which pertain to Java Runtime.

EDIT: Rolling back to 7u9, uninstalling that and then installing 7u10 worked.

Java has a terrible uninstaller. If you installed the 32-bit version then use the free version of Revo Uninstaller and make sure you choose the advance scan and make sure all the registry keys are checked off to delete. I had major problems installing Java and Revo made me remove it deleting over 1500 registry keys and let me reinstall it. I had to opt for the pro version because I had trouble with the 64-bit Java version that I could not remove it or update it.

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said by DrStrange:

EDIT: Rolling back to 7u9, uninstalling that and then installing 7u10 worked.

That didn't work for me. The plugin came back when I rolled back to 7u9, but when I uninstalled 7u9 and reinstalled 7u10 the plugin was still missing.

EDIT: I did some more debugging. The 7u10 installer isn't creating the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\MozillaPlugins\@java.com/JavaPlugin,version=10.10.2 structure in the Windows registry. I worked around the problem by installing u9, exporting the registry keys, uninstalling u9, installing u10, and restoring the registry keys (with a few changes to fix the version number).

slajoh01

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I had Java 6 u38 and I uninstalled it rebooted the PC first, and then installing Java 7 u10.

U always SHOULD reboot the PC after uninstalling any versions of Java just to be on the safe side. It may clear everything out from the previous versions.

Java 7 u10 running fine on IE 8 and Firefox 10.0.11-ESR....No issues.