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Re: Tim Hortons: foreign temp workers "pioneer" My bad I should have said "some" shifts and not "many". But the fact remains many parents don't even want their precious 16 or 17 year old getting a part time job these days and I'm sure you've noticed that too. And some of the Timmy's around Edmonton are still full of foreigners in late afternoon and evenings, as a matter of fact I mostly see foriegn workers at any given time, even on weekends.
Like the HD Mining fiasco, these corps have no issues whatsoever of stacking their workforce with temporary foreign workers because, you know, doing it the absolute cheapest is in every company's mandate. They'll make up every excuse they can (not enough skilled people! Not enough unskilled people!) as to why they need the cheap labour but it always boils down to the simple fact of cheap labour.
We'll be seeing a lot more of this in the future, especially on the outcome of the unions vs. HD Mining. |
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how do they justify to the government that a canadian can't do the job at timmie's and they need to hire a foreign worker? |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...
One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. i don't understand a word of your rant...what the hell does any of that have to do with what i said? -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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| reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:said by dirtyjeffer:similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance... One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. Except for Unions are staffed by Foreign workers as well |
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| reply to dirtyjeffer said by dirtyjeffer:similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...
One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to jaberi similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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 capdjqRIP my friendPremium join:2000-11-01 Coastie | reply to jaberi Regardless, I still like Timmy's Chili. Coffee I prefer Starbucks.  |
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 | reply to IsItDoneYet a qualified and law abiding citizen from UK wanted to come and work with us some time ago....the said person was hired by the company but the employer had to prove to the government why there was no canadian able to do this job...guess what, the person was denied.
does this not apply to the current foreign workers and working for timmy's? |
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 | reply to IsItDoneYet In other related news, The B.C. Federation of Labour says documents show it will be 14 years before Canadians replace all the temporary foreign workers from China hired to work at an underground coal mine in northern B.C.
Two unions are in court challenging more than 200 temporary foreign worker permits obtained by HD Mining for its Murray River underground coal mine near Tumbler Ridge, B.C. The employer says there were no qualified Canadians to do the specialized work at the underground mine.
Documents tendered in the case include HD Mining's previously unreleased transition plan, which outlines how the company won't start hiring Canadian miners for more than four years and plans to continue using temporary foreign workers for the next 14 years.
"What the document says categorically is it will be 4½ years before a single Canadian will be working underground at the mine," said B.C. Federation of Labour president Jim Sinclair.
"After 4½ years, it will be 10 years before it will be a majority of Canadians working underground, and it will be 15 years before the temporary foreign workers are finished working in that mine."
The plan says temporary foreign workers will be used for 30 months of construction and then for two more years as they set up a training school and start recruiting and training Canadians. Because no construction workers exist in Canada? Or because they won't sign back their paychecks to the corporation? -- »libertarian.on.ca/ |
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC kudos:2 | reply to shaner said by shaner:Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. A pot of coffee costs less than 50 cents to make at retail prices. I think there's more than enough profit there to sustain a business at wholesale levels. -- I'm not anti-social, I just don't like stupid people. |
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A new wage structure will also be introduced to provide employers with greater flexibility. Wages that are up to 15% below the average wage for an occupation in a specific region will be accepted; however, employers must clearly demonstrate that the wage is consistent with that of Canadian workers based on Statistics Canada data. Sounds like a bit of double speak to me, this was hatched in the spring and we'll see how it gets interpreted going forward. -- »libertarian.on.ca/ |
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| reply to shaner said by shaner:Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. Rioting?! They should use decaf. |
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 shanerPremium join:2000-10-04 Calgary, AB | reply to FiReSTaRT Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. |
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| reply to IsItDoneYet Not enough local labor? Raise the salary? Not enough? Raise it some more.. Raise it high enough and people WILL come. If you can't make money by hiring Canadian labor, you shouldn't operate a business in Canada. Using migrants increases our unemployment and decreases the wages. The companies that use migrants grow fat by sucking our middle class dry and don't put anything back into it, thus creating a negative net effect. If any of you think any of those corporate profits are gonna trickle down, I have a bridge to sell ya  -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw |
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 shanerPremium join:2000-10-04 Calgary, AB | reply to Kitlope said by Kitlope:Timmy's should be staffed by teenagers for most shifts but Little Johnny is too precious to learn about work ethic. Instead, at 17, he goes to school achieving so-so marks and spends most of his free time playing X-Box with the parents catering to his needs.
It would be easy to blame Johnny but this issue has been created by the helicopter parents. Keep in mind though Timmy's just love to bring in foreigners when they can as cheap labour walks the walk and is the final line. You're kidding, right? Teens like Johnny should only be working 4-10pm at the very most, maybe 3 times a week, as thier primary job (school) takes precedence. Tim's operates 3 shifts; 6-3, 3-11, 11-7. Considering the busiest time of day for Tim's is 6-10am, that means Tim's can't even use part time school kids to cover off the morning rush. And, who's working FT at Tim's these days? Either should-be-almost-retired folks or new-ish immigrants who are supporting a family. Any Tim's owner would tell you they'd rather have a set schedule of FT employees that they know are going to be there day in and day out. There's no room for PT kids at a Tim's anymore, except for weekends. Weekends, realistically for teens, means a total of 4 possible shifts for maybe 4 kids total. These temp workers? The 11-7 folks because the night shift is by far the hardest to staff and maintain. -- I'm a man, but I can change. If I have to. I guess.
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 JBear join:2005-02-24 canada | reply to IsItDoneYet said by IsItDoneYet:said by JBear:said by elwoodblues:One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.
Tims can pay less then minimum wage now. Citation please? True, look it up yourself and you'll learn that these foreigners can legally be paid 15% less than the prevailing market wage courtesy of our federal government. And i don't say that to start an ideological fight, at this juncture as nefcanuck said the corps are running the show now and it is doubtful even the socialists would rescind this unless there was blood spilled in the streets because of it. With all due respect, you first said "pay less then minimum wage now" and now you are saying "paid 15% less than the prevailing market wage...". |
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Does it pay to be open at 3:30 AM?
Except at the very busiest stores, seems absolutely nuts. Considering night staff have other duties than just manning the cash register (cleaning, re-stocking, preparing large orders, etc.) yes, it pays to be open. Sales are free money as they'd need someone in there anyway. BTW forcing those kind of places to pay more to hire unemployed people only perpetuates the problem. When the effective minimum wage gets to be $25+ because unemployed people won't work for less then the price of everything has to go up, and this creates extremely high inflation and cost of living for EVERYBODY in that area, not just the unemployed people, which in turn raises the poverty level in that area, and raises the amount of money unemployed people will want before getting off their ass. When you see the amount of demagogy that came out of the Left when EI rules were changed recently to allow the program to force someone to take a job at 80% of their former salary can you imagine the consequences if you could force them to take minimum wage jobs, even if they're not actually paid minimum wage? This; Raising the wages paid does not correlate to lowering the unemployment rate. And if it does because someone won't take a job for less than $X/hr, than their priorities are wrong. Not allowing the use of foreign workers does 2 things, it could force the business to close and it removes employment from those foreign workers. The way I see it is, if you think you're too good to work at tims, why shouldn't they be allowed to hire someone who will appreciate and make use of the wages they are being paid. Tims is actually helping boost other economies by allowing these foreign workers to bring money home, allowing them to support their families. It's a global market place. |
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 | reply to elwoodblues You mean to present as proof that Tim Hortons can now pay foreign workers less than minimum wage an article that specifically says the opposite?
Under the new rules, foreign temporary workers will still covered by provincial employment standards, meaning they must be paid the minimum wage. |
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Re: Tim Hortons: foreign temp workers "pioneer" said by loosedobbs:said by Devanchya:I have had to look at Foreign workers for a number of positions. Of course in my case it has been for IT work. The local market is VERY tight at the moment for IT and the numbers just didn't add up.
... I dont agree. It is just you or others don't want to give money to existing unemployed people. Many companies want the best and brightest but don't want to pay the best. And yes they want smart young people... I have worked with IT staffing agency in the past and they always play this game, especially with new immigrants. They will have them on contract for years but never offer permanent jobs. And you forget many many jobs are filled with people someone you know and are never advertised. No matter how bad they are. I never buy this argument that IT sector has shortage of workers. Always crying about shortages of workers. Me too. There are soooo many kids fresh out of school that can be hired. Imo if companies decide to do the foreign worker it should cost them. They should have to be their sponsor for 5years then after that the worker gets citizenship. Foreign workers that great anyhow. My department hired 2.1already quit, the other is nice. Thing is know that bcit has tons of kids graduating in this field. -- "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X
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