 shanerPremium join:2000-10-04 Calgary, AB | reply to Kitlope
Re: Tim Hortons: foreign temp workers "pioneer" said by Kitlope:Timmy's should be staffed by teenagers for most shifts but Little Johnny is too precious to learn about work ethic. Instead, at 17, he goes to school achieving so-so marks and spends most of his free time playing X-Box with the parents catering to his needs.
It would be easy to blame Johnny but this issue has been created by the helicopter parents. Keep in mind though Timmy's just love to bring in foreigners when they can as cheap labour walks the walk and is the final line. You're kidding, right? Teens like Johnny should only be working 4-10pm at the very most, maybe 3 times a week, as thier primary job (school) takes precedence. Tim's operates 3 shifts; 6-3, 3-11, 11-7. Considering the busiest time of day for Tim's is 6-10am, that means Tim's can't even use part time school kids to cover off the morning rush. And, who's working FT at Tim's these days? Either should-be-almost-retired folks or new-ish immigrants who are supporting a family. Any Tim's owner would tell you they'd rather have a set schedule of FT employees that they know are going to be there day in and day out. There's no room for PT kids at a Tim's anymore, except for weekends. Weekends, realistically for teens, means a total of 4 possible shifts for maybe 4 kids total. These temp workers? The 11-7 folks because the night shift is by far the hardest to staff and maintain. -- I'm a man, but I can change. If I have to. I guess.
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| reply to IsItDoneYet Not enough local labor? Raise the salary? Not enough? Raise it some more.. Raise it high enough and people WILL come. If you can't make money by hiring Canadian labor, you shouldn't operate a business in Canada. Using migrants increases our unemployment and decreases the wages. The companies that use migrants grow fat by sucking our middle class dry and don't put anything back into it, thus creating a negative net effect. If any of you think any of those corporate profits are gonna trickle down, I have a bridge to sell ya  -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw |
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 shanerPremium join:2000-10-04 Calgary, AB | Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. |
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| said by shaner:Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. Rioting?! They should use decaf. |
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A new wage structure will also be introduced to provide employers with greater flexibility. Wages that are up to 15% below the average wage for an occupation in a specific region will be accepted; however, employers must clearly demonstrate that the wage is consistent with that of Canadian workers based on Statistics Canada data. Sounds like a bit of double speak to me, this was hatched in the spring and we'll see how it gets interpreted going forward. -- »libertarian.on.ca/ |
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 JuggernautIrreverent or irrelevant?Premium join:2006-09-05 Kelowna, BC kudos:2 | reply to shaner said by shaner:Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. A pot of coffee costs less than 50 cents to make at retail prices. I think there's more than enough profit there to sustain a business at wholesale levels. -- I'm not anti-social, I just don't like stupid people. |
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 | reply to IsItDoneYet In other related news, The B.C. Federation of Labour says documents show it will be 14 years before Canadians replace all the temporary foreign workers from China hired to work at an underground coal mine in northern B.C.
Two unions are in court challenging more than 200 temporary foreign worker permits obtained by HD Mining for its Murray River underground coal mine near Tumbler Ridge, B.C. The employer says there were no qualified Canadians to do the specialized work at the underground mine.
Documents tendered in the case include HD Mining's previously unreleased transition plan, which outlines how the company won't start hiring Canadian miners for more than four years and plans to continue using temporary foreign workers for the next 14 years.
"What the document says categorically is it will be 4½ years before a single Canadian will be working underground at the mine," said B.C. Federation of Labour president Jim Sinclair.
"After 4½ years, it will be 10 years before it will be a majority of Canadians working underground, and it will be 15 years before the temporary foreign workers are finished working in that mine."
The plan says temporary foreign workers will be used for 30 months of construction and then for two more years as they set up a training school and start recruiting and training Canadians. Because no construction workers exist in Canada? Or because they won't sign back their paychecks to the corporation? -- »libertarian.on.ca/ |
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 | reply to IsItDoneYet a qualified and law abiding citizen from UK wanted to come and work with us some time ago....the said person was hired by the company but the employer had to prove to the government why there was no canadian able to do this job...guess what, the person was denied.
does this not apply to the current foreign workers and working for timmy's? |
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 capdjqRIP my friendPremium join:2000-11-01 Coastie | Regardless, I still like Timmy's Chili. Coffee I prefer Starbucks.  |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to jaberi similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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| said by dirtyjeffer:similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...
One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. -- No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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| said by elwoodblues:said by dirtyjeffer:similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity. What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance... One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. Except for Unions are staffed by Foreign workers as well |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium join:2002-02-21 London, ON | reply to elwoodblues said by elwoodblues:What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited. Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...
One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street. i don't understand a word of your rant...what the hell does any of that have to do with what i said? -- People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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how do they justify to the government that a canadian can't do the job at timmie's and they need to hire a foreign worker? |
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 | reply to shaner My bad I should have said "some" shifts and not "many". But the fact remains many parents don't even want their precious 16 or 17 year old getting a part time job these days and I'm sure you've noticed that too. And some of the Timmy's around Edmonton are still full of foreigners in late afternoon and evenings, as a matter of fact I mostly see foriegn workers at any given time, even on weekends.
Like the HD Mining fiasco, these corps have no issues whatsoever of stacking their workforce with temporary foreign workers because, you know, doing it the absolute cheapest is in every company's mandate. They'll make up every excuse they can (not enough skilled people! Not enough unskilled people!) as to why they need the cheap labour but it always boils down to the simple fact of cheap labour.
We'll be seeing a lot more of this in the future, especially on the outcome of the unions vs. HD Mining. |
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