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<description><![CDATA[Kitlope posted : My bad I should have said "some" shifts and not "many". But the fact remains many parents don't even want their precious 16 or 17 year old getting a part time job these days and I'm sure you've noticed that too. And some of the Timmy's around Edmonton are still full of foreigners in late afternoon and evenings, as a matter of fact I mostly see foriegn workers at any given time, even on weekends.<br><br>Like the HD Mining fiasco, these corps have no issues whatsoever of stacking their workforce with temporary foreign workers because, you know, doing it the absolute cheapest is in every company's mandate. They'll make up every excuse they can (not enough skilled people! Not enough unskilled people!) as to why they need the cheap labour but it always boils down to the simple fact of cheap labour.<br><br>We'll be seeing a lot more of this in the future, especially on the outcome of the unions vs. HD Mining.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaberi posted : lol <br><br>how do they justify to the government that a canadian can't do the job at timmie's and they need to hire a foreign worker?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited.  Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...<br><br>One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street.<br> </p></div>i don't understand a word of your rant...what the hell does any of that have to do with what i said?<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:43:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Doonz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p>similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity.<br> </p></div>What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited.  Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...<br><br>One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street.<br> </p></div>Except for Unions are staffed by Foreign workers as well]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[elwoodblues posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/589128" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=589128');">dirtyjeffer</a>:</said><p>similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity.<br> </p></div>What you've described is the right wing way of thinking.All short term thinking.. how much can we make exploiting workers (kill the unions, kill wages, kill benefits, hire foreigners at less money). Things collapse tomorrow.. MEH, i made my money, I'm well off, F the peons I exploited.  Oh and more tax cuts.. taxes are too high .. can't afford to fund Health care, that's ok.. I got private insurance...<br><br>One only has to look at the Wall street collapse, everyone made out like bandits, the taxpayer bailed them out and now suffer now having to deal with large deficits that have to be paid back too.. wall street.<br><small>--<br><b>No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : similar thing happened to my friend...he went to school in Australia...while over there, met a great girl and she came back with him...they went through all the procedures for her to become a citizen and they even got married while they were waiting for everything to go through...it was almost 3 years and they were fed up, so they both went back to Australia and he became an Australian citizen (it took only a few months)...they both work, contribute to society, have a couple of kids now and enjoy their life together down there...it seems we are too interested in keeping employable people who want to contribute out and diluting our workforce with people who don't speak the language, have little interest in "integration" and who come here to live off our social programs...it's backwards thinking, and will be the financial end to our prosperity.<br><small>--<br>People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.<br><br>- George Orwell</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[capdjq posted : Regardless, I still like Timmy's Chili. Coffee I prefer Starbucks. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jaberi posted : a qualified and law abiding citizen from UK wanted to come and work with us some time ago....the said person was hired by the company but the employer had to prove to the government why there was no canadian able to do this job...guess what, the person was denied.<br><br>does this not apply to the current foreign workers and working for timmy's? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : In other related news, <div class="bquote"><p>The B.C. Federation of Labour says documents show it will be 14 years before Canadians replace all the temporary foreign workers from China hired to work at an underground coal mine in northern B.C.<br><br>Two unions are in court challenging more than 200 temporary foreign worker permits obtained by HD Mining for its Murray River underground coal mine near Tumbler Ridge, B.C. The employer says there were no qualified Canadians to do the specialized work at the underground mine.<br><br>Documents tendered in the case include HD Mining's previously unreleased transition plan, which outlines how the company won't start hiring Canadian miners for more than four years and plans to continue using temporary foreign workers for the next 14 years.<br><br>"What the document says categorically is it will be 4Â½ years before a single Canadian will be working underground at the mine," said B.C. Federation of Labour president Jim Sinclair.<br><br>"After 4Â½ years, it will be 10 years before it will be a majority of Canadians working underground, and it will be 15 years before the temporary foreign workers are finished working in that mine."<br><br><b>The plan says temporary foreign workers will be used for 30 months of construction </b>and then for two more years as they set up a training school and start recruiting and training Canadians.</p></div>Because no construction workers exist in Canada? Or because they won't sign back their paychecks to the corporation?<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Juggernaut posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/213092" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=213092');">shaner</a>:</said><p>Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. </p></div>A pot of coffee costs less than 50 cents to make at retail prices. I think there's more than enough profit there to sustain a business at wholesale levels.<br><small>--<br>I'm not anti-social, I just don't like stupid people.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?nid=670919" >news.gc.ca/web/article-eng.do?nid=670919</A><br><div class="bquote"><p>A new wage structure will also be introduced to provide employers with greater flexibility. Wages that are up to 15% below the average wage for an occupation in a specific region will be accepted; however, employers must clearly demonstrate that the wage is consistent with that of Canadian workers based on Statistics Canada data.</p></div>Sounds like a bit of double speak to me, this was hatched in the spring and we'll see how it gets interpreted going forward.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/213092" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=213092');">shaner</a>:</said><p>Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. <br> </p></div>Rioting?!  They should use decaf.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[shaner posted : Then people bitch and moan when prices go up. Last time timmies raised coffee prices, there was almost rioting in the street. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[FiReSTaRT posted : Not enough local labor? Raise the salary? Not enough? Raise it some more.. Raise it high enough and people WILL come. If you can't make money by hiring Canadian labor, you shouldn't operate a business in Canada. Using migrants increases our unemployment and decreases the wages. The companies that use migrants grow fat by sucking our middle class dry and don't put anything back into it, thus creating a negative net effect. If any of you think any of those corporate profits are gonna trickle down, I have a bridge to sell ya ;)<br><small>--<br>If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.<br>—George Bernard Shaw</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[shaner posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1049050" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1049050');">Kitlope</a>:</said><p>Timmy's should be staffed by teenagers for most shifts but Little Johnny is too precious to learn about work ethic. Instead, at 17, he goes to school achieving so-so marks and spends most of his free time playing X-Box with the parents catering to his needs. <br><br>It would be easy to blame Johnny but this issue has been created by the helicopter parents. Keep in mind though Timmy's just love to bring in foreigners when they can as cheap labour walks the walk and is the final line.<br> </p></div>You're kidding, right?  Teens like Johnny should only be working 4-10pm at the very most, maybe 3 times a week, as thier primary job (school) takes precedence.  Tim's operates 3 shifts; 6-3, 3-11, 11-7.  Considering the busiest time of day for Tim's is 6-10am, that means Tim's can't even use part time school kids to cover off the morning rush.  And, who's working FT at Tim's these days?  Either should-be-almost-retired folks or new-ish immigrants who are supporting a family.  Any Tim's owner would tell you they'd rather have a set schedule of FT employees that they know are going to be there day in and day out.  There's no room for PT kids at a Tim's anymore, except for weekends. Weekends, realistically for teens, means a total of 4 possible shifts for maybe 4 kids total. These temp workers?  The 11-7 folks because the night shift is by far the hardest to staff and maintain.<br><small>--<br>I'm a man, but I can change.  If I have to.  I guess.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://shaner38.blogspot.com/" >shaner38.blogspot.com/</A><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JBear posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1657941" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1657941');">IsItDoneYet</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>Citation please? <br> </p></div>True, look it up yourself and you'll learn that these foreigners can legally be paid 15% less than the prevailing market wage courtesy of our federal government.  And i don't say that to start an ideological fight, at this juncture as nefcanuck said the corps are running the show now and it is doubtful even the socialists would rescind this unless there was blood spilled in the streets because of it.<br> </p></div>With all due respect, you first said "pay less then minimum wage now" and now you are saying "paid 15% less than the prevailing market wage...". ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[prairiesky posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/961620" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=961620');">IamGimli</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>I have always wondered about this:<br><br>Does it pay to be open at 3:30 AM?<br><br>Except at the very busiest stores, seems absolutely nuts.<br> </p></div>Considering night staff have other duties than just manning the cash register (cleaning, re-stocking, preparing large orders, etc.) yes, it pays to be open. Sales are free money as they'd need someone in there anyway. <br><br>BTW forcing those kind of places to pay more to hire unemployed people only perpetuates the problem. When the effective minimum wage gets to be $25+ because unemployed people won't work for less then the price of everything has to go up, and this creates extremely high inflation and cost of living for EVERYBODY in that area, not just the unemployed people, which in turn raises the poverty level in that area, and raises the amount of money unemployed people will want before getting off their ass.<br><br>When you see the amount of demagogy that came out of the Left when EI rules were changed recently to allow the program to force someone to take a job at 80% of their former salary can you imagine the consequences if you could force them to take minimum wage jobs, even if they're not actually paid minimum wage?<br> </p></div>This; <br>Raising the wages paid does not correlate to lowering the unemployment rate. And if it does because someone won't take a job for less than $X/hr, than their priorities are wrong.  Not allowing the use of foreign workers does 2 things, it could force the business to close and it removes employment from those foreign workers.  The way I see it is, if you think you're too good to work at tims, why shouldn't they be allowed to hire someone who will appreciate and make use of the wages they are being paid.  Tims is actually helping boost other economies by allowing these foreign workers to bring money home, allowing them to support their families.  It's a global market place.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IamGimli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>Citation please? <br> </p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://m.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/1168905--two-tiered-wage-system-announced-by-tories" >m.thestar.com/opinion/editorials&middot;&middot;&middot;y-tories</A><br> </p></div>You mean to present as proof that Tim Hortons can now pay foreign workers less than minimum wage an article that specifically says the opposite?<br><br><div class="bquote"><p>Under the new rules, foreign temporary workers will still covered by provincial employment standards, meaning they must be paid the minimum wage. </p></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Warez_Zealot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1366082" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1366082');">loosedobbs</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/911204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=911204');">Devanchya</a>:</said><p>I have had to look at Foreign workers for a number of positions.  Of course in my case it has been for IT work.  The local market is VERY tight at the moment for IT and the numbers just didn't add up.<br><br>...<br> </p></div>I dont agree. It is just you or others don't want to give money to existing unemployed people. Many companies want the best and brightest but don't want to pay the best. And yes they want smart young people...<br>I have worked with IT staffing agency in the past and they always play this game, especially with new immigrants. They will have them on contract for years but never offer permanent jobs.<br><br>And you forget many many jobs are filled with people someone you know and are never advertised. No matter how bad they are.<br><br>I never buy this argument that IT sector has shortage of workers. Always crying about shortages of workers.<br> </p></div>Me too. There are soooo many kids fresh out of school that can be hired. Imo if companies decide to do the foreign worker  it should cost them. They should have to be their sponsor for 5years then after that the worker gets citizenship. Foreign workers   that great anyhow. My department hired 2.1already quit, the other is nice. Thing is  know that bcit has tons of kids graduating in this field. <br><small>--<br>"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X<br><br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kitlope posted :        <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Why is it any of your business?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Ummm, because this is a discussion about temporary foreign workers being employed instead of rightful Canadians. No need to get snarky analog andy, were you one of those slacking, catered to children?<br><br>Here's a link to a story I read some months ago about the disappearing summer job, which IMO can be applied to today's teen work ethic in general, although obviously things like the recession don't help matters .<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/story/2012-06-12/teen-jobs-disappearing/55555506/1" >usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/ec&middot;&middot;&middot;555506/1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : Clearly the equilibrium wage is too low, no one is forcing an employers hand or advocating for a $25 minimum wage...just honest capitalism. <br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/27814198?c=2058709&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyNzgxMjg2Ni54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="132742 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=496 SRC="/r0/download/2058709.thumb600~64d2fae3049618deaf93c5eaea4d3793/2000px-Wage_labour.svg.png/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[elwoodblues posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>Citation please? <br> </p></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://m.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/1168905--two-tiered-wage-system-announced-by-tories" >m.thestar.com/opinion/editorials&middot;&middot;&middot;y-tories</A><br><small>--<br><b>No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[milnoc posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1771992" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1771992');">Doonz</a>:</said><p>...not to mention that a lot of canadians look down upon these jobs...</p></div>This.<br><small>--<br>Watch my future television channel's public test broadcast!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://thecanadianpublic.com/live" >thecanadianpublic.com/live</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Warez_Zealot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>Actually tims probably  doesnt even consider them. My gf applied at timmies and never heard back. They use those annoying online hr apps to filter everyone. These temp worker permits are being abused and the government is complicit. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IamGimli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>I have always wondered about this:<br><br>Does it pay to be open at 3:30 AM?<br><br>Except at the very busiest stores, seems absolutely nuts.<br> </p></div>Considering night staff have other duties than just manning the cash register (cleaning, re-stocking, preparing large orders, etc.) yes, it pays to be open. Sales are free money as they'd need someone in there anyway. <br><br>BTW forcing those kind of places to pay more to hire unemployed people only perpetuates the problem. When the effective minimum wage gets to be $25+ because unemployed people won't work for less then the price of everything has to go up, and this creates extremely high inflation and cost of living for EVERYBODY in that area, not just the unemployed people, which in turn raises the poverty level in that area, and raises the amount of money unemployed people will want before getting off their ass.<br><br>When you see the amount of demagogy that came out of the Left when EI rules were changed recently to allow the program to force someone to take a job at 80% of their former salary can you imagine the consequences if you could force them to take minimum wage jobs, even if they're not actually paid minimum wage?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[analog andy posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1049050" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1049050');">Kitlope</a>:</said><p>Timmy's should be staffed by teenagers for most shifts but Little Johnny is too precious to learn about work ethic. Instead, at 17, he goes to school achieving so-so marks and spends most of his free time playing X-Box with the parents catering to his needs. <br><br>It would be easy to blame Johnny but this issue has been created by the helicopter parents. Keep in mind though Timmy's just love to bring in foreigners when they can as cheap labour walks the walk and is the final line.<br> </p></div>If Johnny is not leeching off the system like the corporations get to and he's even living off his parents who cares what he does with his life. Why is it any of your business?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1164597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1164597');">JBear</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>Citation please? <br> </p></div>True, look it up yourself and you'll learn that these foreigners can legally be paid 15% less than the prevailing market wage courtesy of our federal government.  And i don't say that to start an ideological fight, at this juncture as nefcanuck said the corps are running the show now and it is doubtful even the socialists would rescind this unless there was blood spilled in the streets because of it.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kitlope posted : Timmy's should be staffed by teenagers for most shifts but Little Johnny is too precious to learn about work ethic. Instead, at 17, he goes to school achieving so-so marks and spends most of his free time playing X-Box with the parents catering to his needs. <br><br>It would be easy to blame Johnny but this issue has been created by the helicopter parents. Keep in mind though Timmy's just love to bring in foreigners when they can as cheap labour walks the walk and is the final line.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : it is why i said foreign workers shouldn't be allowed...in any field.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NefCanuck posted : The thing with these programs is they distort the local labour markets by giving the companies access to foreign workers who are willing to work for less than what the prevailing local wage is.<br><br>Sure by using these programs you keep the companies costs down (and in theory prices) but in practice all it does is artificially inflate the companies profit numbers because of the distorted labour costs.<br><br>But what does it also do?  It also reduces the number of jobs that are available to <b>local</b> labour which causes the unemployment rate is be higher than it would be otherwise. <br><br>IOW: If the companies didn't have access to the cheaper labour pool that the foreign workers program gives them, they would be forced to provide wages to draw workers to them and reduce the unemployment rate.  Which would also have the effect of increasing government tax revenue and reduce the amount of money spent on social programs, which benefits all of us.<br><br>But since the corporations "run the show" now, I doubt that anything I've said above hasn't already been thought of and discounted as "bunk" by these same self serving corporations. :uhh:<br><br>NefCanuck]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JBear posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>Citation please? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[loosedobbs posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/911204" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=911204');">Devanchya</a>:</said><p>I have had to look at Foreign workers for a number of positions.  Of course in my case it has been for IT work.  The local market is VERY tight at the moment for IT and the numbers just didn't add up.<br><br>...<br> </p></div>I dont agree. It is just you or others don't want to give money to existing unemployed people. Many companies want the best and brightest but don't want to pay the best. And yes they want smart young people...<br>I have worked with IT staffing agency in the past and they always play this game, especially with new immigrants. They will have them on contract for years but never offer permanent jobs.<br><br>And you forget many many jobs are filled with people someone you know and are never advertised. No matter how bad they are.<br><br>I never buy this argument that IT sector has shortage of workers. Always crying about shortages of workers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Devanchya posted : I have had to look at Foreign workers for a number of positions.  Of course in my case it has been for IT work.  The local market is VERY tight at the moment for IT and the numbers just didn't add up.<br><br>We didn't find anyone Foreign either... Skilled Labour and Tech jobs are very hard to fill at times.<br><br>As hard as it is to say this, why are there people at Tim Hortons anyways?   Shouldn't they just be putting in Vending Machines?  that's what the coffee and food tastes like anyways.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.codecipher.com" >www.codecipher.com</A> - Marking the way to tomorrow's solutions -- Did you know that Perl is not Dead? &raquo;<A HREF="http://perlisalive.org/" >perlisalive.org/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[dirtyjeffer posted : i like how the Germans do it...you get social assistance for a limited time...after that, you are assigned a job...perhaps we need something similar here...we've got something like 8% unemployment in Canada (almost 20% here in London)...while there is certainly people unable to work, there is no doubt people who are choosing not to.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1095016" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1095016');">urbanriot</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1657941" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1657941');">IsItDoneYet</a>:</said><p>This is abhorrent, exploitative and ought to be ended. We have a large pool of unskilled Canadians, and if they won't do the job for minimum wage then employers should be forced to be true capitalists rather than slave owners. </p></div>... you refer to capitalists yet you involve a dictatorship? Weird.<br><br> </p></div>What the fuck? Revoking labour arbitrage is hardly dictatorship. <br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[zod5000 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>I always thought if I had a chance to do it over I wouldn't of started working right out of the gate at age 16 (The legal age in BC where you don't need parental consent).    I was 16, I pretty much spent my money on crap anyways.  I probably should of enjoyed those years a bit more hanging out with friends at the river, rather then bagging groceries and collecting carts.... lol.<br><br>Or maybe I shouldn't of let them goad me into working 33.5 hours/week while going to school :)<br><br>Edit:  As for using foreign workers.  I was ok with it before, but those first few posts made me change my view on it.  It really does circumvent supply and demand.  I could understand allowing in parts of the country where there aren't enough workers (Alberta?) but in the rest of the country unemployment is high enough that imported cheap labour shouldn't be needed.<br><br>I lived in Edmonton for a while, the one thing I always found interesting was that most people didn't know what minimum wage was because no one would work for it.  Everything from McD's to grocery stores had to pay more to staff their stores.  All of those companies survived just fine.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Thane_Bitter posted : Considering how the company loves to play the "Canadian angle" I find this and every other change they have made over the years seems to be completely anti-Canadian.  <br><br>I would boycott them, however they lost my business years ago.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[loosedobbs posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/961620" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=961620');">IamGimli</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/919724" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=919724');">twizlar</a>:</said><p>Its not about being cheaper. They cannot get enough staff to fill the positions, especially overnight shifts. I work with many of the store owners on a daily basis and they genuinely cannot find the labor needed to run the stores 24/7.<br> </p></div>Yep. It started a few years ago in Alberta. I personally saw a McDonalds that was closed on weekends because they couldn't get anyone to work there, <b>despite offering close to $20 an hour </b>(that was in Red Deer). <br><br>Now it's spreading to other parts of the country. That's what happens when you keep giving your kids everything they want without teaching them the value of work and money. Somehow they end up thinking that passing wind is worth $50k. Imagine that!<br> </p></div><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1771992" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1771992');">Doonz</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>In our town. Our Tim's is staffed from 12am to 8am by foreign workers. Then from 8am - 3pm its mostly locals. then from 3pm-8pm its mostly local teens and then from 8pm - 12am its foreigners.<br><br>I think its a great mix and I realize that running a 24/7 business requires a lot of personel not to mention<b> that a lot of canadians look down upon these jobs...</b><br><br>Oh to add the weekends 6am - 12am are staffed by mostly teens<br> </p></div>I know many many South Asian people who see working at McD or Tim is beneath their level or insulting. They don't understand work is work no matter what. They will work in call centre at $10/h but will never work at Timmie for $15-$20. But look like this attitude is not limited to certain communities and common in other parts as well.<br><br>And many workers at Tim I see in Toronto are mainly Sri-Lankans. That include gas station and other stalls at subway stations. So this "Temp" must be different for other parts of Canada.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[J E F F posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1388405" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1388405');">elwoodblues</a>:</said><p>One only has to look at recent laws passed by the Federal Govt to blame for this.<br><br>Tims can pay less then minimum wage now.<br> </p></div>How so? They've been doing this for years....<br><br>Here is what I see the issue: Minimum wage is hard to live on. Foreign workers have no other choice. <br><br>Could Tim's set the bar higher and pay people a decent wage? Probably, but Canadians, like Americans, go and buy at the cheapest place possible, so as long as you have other low cost providers, like Ron's Diner, Tim's has to stay low cost. <br><small>--<br><b>If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein</b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[A Lurker posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>Does it pay to be open at 3:30 AM?<br> </p></div>Don't know about 3:30, but I've been through the drive through at work at 5am (not often, but we have a shift that starts at 5:30).  Interesting fact - you can't buy tim bits at 5am.  I had to go back that morning as I'd planned to bring some in for the guys.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PX Eliezer posted : I have always wondered about this:<br><br>Does it pay to be open at 3:30 AM?<br><br>Except at the very busiest stores, seems absolutely nuts.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Laidback posted : My daughter worked at Tim Horton for 10 years.  She saved her money and worked there part time when she was in University.  Her hourly rate of pay when she finally left was $16.50, which I'm pretty sure is above minimum wage.<br>She was fortunate to work for an owner who believed in giving their employees increases after 800 hours.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IamGimli posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/919724" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=919724');">twizlar</a>:</said><p>Its not about being cheaper. They cannot get enough staff to fill the positions, especially overnight shifts. I work with many of the store owners on a daily basis and they genuinely cannot find the labor needed to run the stores 24/7.<br> </p></div>Yep. It started a few years ago in Alberta. I personally saw a McDonalds that was closed on weekends because they couldn't get anyone to work there, despite offering close to $20 an hour (that was in Red Deer). <br><br>Now it's spreading to other parts of the country. That's what happens when you keep giving your kids everything they want without teaching them the value of work and money. Somehow they end up thinking that passing wind is worth $50k. Imagine that!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:00:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[twizlar posted : Its not about being cheaper. They cannot get enough staff to fill the positions, especially overnight shifts. I work with many of the store owners on a daily basis and they genuinely cannot find the labor needed to run the stores 24/7.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.broadlinenetworks.com">Broadline Networks Inc.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[urbanriot posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1657941" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1657941');">IsItDoneYet</a>:</said><p>This is abhorrent, exploitative and ought to be ended. We have a large pool of unskilled Canadians, and if they won't do the job for minimum wage then employers should be forced to be true capitalists rather than slave owners. </p></div>... you refer to capitalists yet you involve a dictatorship? Weird.<br><br>In any case, I disagree with your assessment of the situation as two of the local Tim Horton's has had 'help wanted' signs on their windows for weeks now, maybe a month. <br><br>If we worked with your dictatorship capitalism idea, the cost of coffee would go up considerably, since this labour pool you allege exists would want a minimum of $45,000 a year with benefits, paid sick days, more benefits and a representative union to make sure this goes up a few thousand dollars every year. <br><br>I'm sure most Canadians would prefer to pay less than $15 for a cup of coffee. <br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>Yes, these days they live at home with their parents until they're 30 or married (but if married before 30, they usually divorce and come back at some point before they're 35). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[zacron posted : Thane_bitter, if you crunch the numbers (taxes, fees etc), it is in fact cheaper for a student/teen to sit on social assistance than to work at Tim Hortons... the problem truly lies with the capitalistic nature of our society... there is only so much money and that value proposition is way too high, so rent in Hamilton for one bedroom in a student house on the mountain is around 410$/mth with the largest portion going to hydro.<br><br>So if you look at most jobs they say you'll have "40" hours but you're usually lucky to get around 12-20 hours (ask most of mohawk college)... Therefore the statistics do speak the truth.<br><small>--<br>"Recognize, Realize, and Repent"</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[IsItDoneYet posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1572525" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1572525');">PX Eliezer</a>:</said><p>It's actually cheaper for them to transport workers in from outside of Canada?<br><br>Do I have that right?<br> </p></div>doubtful, but with tax write offs and the intended purpose of conditioning the masses for eventual expansion of this program the big payoff is down the road a ways. It's probably a wash right now, but the unknowns of forced rent, job placement payments make the true costs opaque.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://libertarian.on.ca/" >libertarian.on.ca/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doonz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>In our town. Our Tim's is staffed from 12am to 8am by foreign workers. Then from 8am - 3pm its mostly locals. then from 3pm-8pm its mostly local teens and then from 8pm - 12am its foreigners.<br><br>I think its a great mix and I realize that running a 24/7 business requires a lot of personel not to mention that a lot of canadians look down upon these jobs...<br><br>Oh to add the weekends 6am - 12am are staffed by mostly ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doonz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1143582" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1143582');">Thane_Bitter</a>:</said><p>Are teenagers so well off they don't need jobs?<br> </p></div>In our town. Our Tim's is staffed from 12am to 8am by foreign workers. Then from 8am - 3pm its mostly locals. then from 3pm-8pm its mostly local teens and then from 8pm - 12am its foreigners.<br><br>I think its a great mix and I realize that running a 24/7 business requires a lot of personel not to mention that a lot of canadians look down upon these jobs...<br><br>Oh to add the weekends 6am - 12am are staffed by mostly teens]]></description>
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