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A Lurker
that's Ms Lurker btw
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join:2007-10-27
Wellington N
reply to stevey_frac

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

No. I've IM'd you the message of my confirmation email. If you want to redirect mine you have my permission.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to stevey_frac

said by stevey_frac:

I'm reaching out to as many donors as I can, to see if they would be OK with donating funds to CIPPIC. I don't want to be accused of using the funds for something other than what I said. I would argue supporting CIPPIC is essentially the same thing, But I think it's only fair to them.

Does anyone object to donating the proceeds of the campaign to CIPPIC?

Maybe we need a break down. If funds go to so and so they will be used for this. If they go to so and so they will be used for this and that.

stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON

Right now, Unless someone demands that their funds not be used for such, I think we should push all our funds to CIPPIC to stop the disclosure motion from going forward. So, essentially, 100% of funds go to CIPPIC for their litigation efforts.



bbbc

join:2001-10-02
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reply to stevey_frac

I was the first to donate and I have no problem with the funds going to CIPPIC.

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analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to stevey_frac

I just donated and sure pass it forward to CIPPIC.


Fuzzy285

join:2012-12-12
reply to stevey_frac

You should continue to build this fund until it is clear whether anyone will get sued. There's still a good chance that names and addresses will eventually be disclosed and individuals will have to fight the trolls. You're not out of the woods yet, not by a long shot. Let CIPPIC try to do its job regarding the public interest, they already have the means. If they fail, you'll need that money still.



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reply to stevey_frac

said by stevey_frac:

Right now, Unless someone demands that their funds not be used for such, I think we should push all our funds to CIPPIC to stop the disclosure motion from going forward. So, essentially, 100% of funds go to CIPPIC for their litigation efforts.

Agreed. If CIPPIC takes up the case, I'd be more inclined to donate if the money went to them.
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Shikomu

join:2007-11-16
Ontario

I am in the same boat I may contribute if CIPPIC can use the funds for this purpose.


sanc5

join:2012-12-13
Mississauga, ON
reply to Fuzzy285

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Make sense to me.. I second the moton.


swampboy

join:2012-01-24
Hamilton, ON
reply to stevey_frac

I just donated to CIPPIC and am recommending that everyone do so. I think they are the best chance to fight the trolls. Also the donation is tax-deductible in the current year if you donate by Dec 31. Please let your friends, family and co-workers know that anyone with a wifi network is at risk.


stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
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reply to Fuzzy285

And what if CIPPIC is on a shoestring budget? What if the contribution of a few thousand dollars would make a huge difference in their ability to combat this for us? The whole point of this campaign has been that if we stand together we are way strong than if we stand apart. It seems to me to be in the spirit of the campaign to donate our funds to CIPPIC, provided they are going to intervene on our behalf.


skd5

join:2012-12-12
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Yes, I also agree with that. We must donate these funds provided they are also committed on opposing the motion with support to us as a group.

CIPPIC has lot of other things in hand as well. Donating without a condition may make them spend on anything they like and we don't want them to lose focus on the efforts for which it was donated.

Did you get any reply from them? Not sure if they are willing to take it & In the worst case even with their opposing, if court declares to release info, we need info on how they will support the defendents ?


stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
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I don't think we'd be able to force a condition on CIPPIC. However, CIPPIC has already sent a letter to the court to state their intention of intervening.

I haven't yet had a response from CIPPIC or from David Fowler.

If the court orders the release of the info despite the intervention, I'm not sure what we could really do with $1000.

In any case, I won't donate any money to CIPPIC until I know they will intervene, and that this money will make a meaningful difference in their ability to do so.


sanc5

join:2012-12-13
Mississauga, ON
reply to stevey_frac

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..What if they were not succcessful in their intervention? Do we start another defense fund drive? Maybe we should continue the fund drive for what it was originally intended for. If there was successful intervention, then we donate the fund to CIPPIC as it is no longer needed. People, if they wish, can contribute voluntarily to both CIPPIC and the defense funds... as others probably are inclined to do so. Just a thought...


swampboy

join:2012-01-24
Hamilton, ON
reply to stevey_frac

I think it is best to simply support CIPPIC and hope they achieve something on Jan. 14. Once the decision comes down, the strategy will have to change. That is when the best possible case/s should be assisted to get good case law. I want CIPPIC to be in a strong position to carry on. Some no name lawyer/firm with dubious expertise/experience is a little too risky for me.


qewey

join:2007-10-04

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reply to stevey_frac

CIPPIC is already funded I think and is part of the U of Ottawa. Unless they come and tell you they need money specifically for this mandate but I dont think it is the case.

Like somebody said, save these funds for when the extortion letters are sent out. Then the KEY point is make it easy for people to respond to them and call their bluff with a template letter. That needs some money. Then if it goes to court, you will need more money.


sanc5

join:2012-12-13
Mississauga, ON
reply to stevey_frac

Very informative FAQ from CIPPIC:

»cippic.ca/online-anonymity-and-d···disclose


dad_of_3

join:2004-05-31
SE Ontario
reply to qewey

said by qewey:

CIPPIC is already funded I think and is part of the U of Ottawa. Unless they come and tell you they need money specifically for this mandate but I dont think it is the case.

Like somebody said, save these funds for when the extortion letters are sent out. Then the KEY point is make it easy for people to respond to them and call their bluff with a template letter. That needs some money. Then if it goes to court, you will need more money.

I'm tending to think along these lines as well. If CIPPIC however needs the funds to mount a proper intervention, then sure pass it along. If they don't, then perhaps wait and seel what happens on the next court date. If they are successful, then the fund should certainly go to them as there will be no further need of it. If they are unsuccessful, well, once the first extortion letters start to arrive....

Also, as someone else on another thread pointed out, perhaps the trolls are keeping tabs on these forums. Maybe they will think twice about going forward with actual litigation if they see how dedicated folks here are. If they KNOW there is a fund to help out the first possible defendants, then maybe they will think twice before proceeding. Remember this is all a money game for them. If a possible first defendant didn't have to worry about initial legal costs, I'm sure they would feel tons better telling Voltage to stuff any possible settlement offer....hmmmmm..

soundtech

join:2007-06-14
Scarborough, ON
reply to stevey_frac

I also think we ought to hold off on the CIPPIC donation. If their intervention is not allowed, or is unsuccessful, we will need legal representation.

And if I may, I am aware of a team willing, and very able, to take this on. If anyone is interested in further details, pm me.


stevey_frac

join:2009-12-09
Cambridge, ON
reply to stevey_frac

OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!



A Lurker
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join:2007-10-27
Wellington N

Sounds like a good idea.


Rastan

join:2007-04-25
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reply to stevey_frac

said by stevey_frac:

OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!

That's a sensible plan.


Construction

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reply to stevey_frac

I say pay off a judge or mayor w/ it.

Works in Quebec.


Fuzzy285

join:2012-12-12
reply to Fuzzy285

I think you should approach CIPPIC again but without bringing up the money question, and make sure they can verify whose interests you represent. What's at stake for them here is the public interest and the ramifications of the methods Voltage is trying to use; it is greater than this initial group being targeted. They are probably focusing on getting standing on this motion, and may not not want to get too tangled with each individual's circumstances, at least not yet. You are only as strong as your weakest link after all. Nonetheless, it would be important to get clarification from them as to whether they'd need or want help from those targeted, and what they should be doing by way of preparation. Other than spending tons of money on lawyers, of course.

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Shikomu

join:2007-11-16
Ontario
reply to stevey_frac

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

That gets my Vote.


Voltage

join:2013-01-13
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reply to stevey_frac

said by stevey_frac:

OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!

if they win or take up the case on behalf of people tomorrow? im confused...


A Lurker
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said by Voltage:

if they win or take up the case on behalf of people tomorrow? im confused...

I believe if CIPPIC quashes the motion then the money would simply be donated to them. If that fails, then it would be put to another use - such as legal advice on responses to the letters that people know is coming. Or (thinking ahead) to someone who plans to fight.

ETA: not one of those named, not even someone who torrents, but someone who donated because I don't like the methods that companies like Voltage use

Voltage

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im with teksavvy but i didnt get named. never actually heard of Voltage before or any of their movies. i feel the same as you. frankly this is bs.

i appreciate what the OP is doing, but is this legit? is a lawyer the head of this campaign or what? at this point it appeared as if people werent 100% on where the money is going. i want to donate to something that has clear direction and validity.


funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to soundtech

said by soundtech:

I also think we ought to hold off on the CIPPIC donation. If their intervention is not allowed, or is unsuccessful, we will need legal representation.

And if I may, I am aware of a team willing, and very able, to take this on. If anyone is interested in further details, pm me.

dont donate to cippic you might create an era of bias and get there intervenor status not allowed , just saying.