Topic 'Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 18 Feb 2013 08:22:37 EDT

King Sull posted : Tax deductible ^_^

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Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:19:39 EDT

dra6o0n posted : Gee indiegogo is where people also build up hype on fundraisers and then ran off with the money.

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Sun, 17 Feb 2013 12:42:40 EDT

anon posted : I am going to donate CIPPIC directly at »www.cippic.ca/en/donate

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Sun, 17 Feb 2013 10:11:30 EDT

King Sull posted : indiegogo != kickstarter that's why you didn't get much.

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Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:10:44 EDT

mlerner posted : Agreed. Every dollar helps and I'm sure CIPPIC will appreciate it.

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Sat, 16 Feb 2013 13:33:51 EDT

g121 posted : & thanks to you stevey_frac for your time & efforts to get this fund raiser started right from the get-go .. good show : ) .. cheers from Toronto

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:57:33 EDT

stevey_frac posted : CIPPIC has been granted full intervenor status in the Voltage vs John Doe case.

This is great news for us. CIPPIC can now fight for us, and poke holes in the evidence that Voltage and Canipre has presented, before a single name gets released. As such, all the funds donated will be going to CIPPIC.

Giving them financial aid affords us all the best chance of winning this case. It also sends a clear message to Voltage, Canipre, and their ilk that we will not take this type bullying lying down.

In the end, we raised a total of $1400 dollars. While this is not enough to retain our own lawyer, it IS a significant amount of money, and will aid CIPPIC in their battle.

Thanks to everyone who donated and everyone who spread the word! We did well!

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:25:51 EDT

anon posted :

said by Canipre evil :

Keep in mind that Barry Logan of Stratford and his company may be an even bigger long term threat than Voltage.

"Canipre evil" is right.
The source of the evilness is canipre and others like them who will pop up and think they can walk in with pseudo-data on you and get paid for selling this info.

Theses vultures and this business model is what funds are required for to stop them before it gets a foot hold. If that is even possible.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:13:01 EDT

anon posted : Remember the Cinapre press release from a couple months
ago where they claimed they had proof of copyright infringement by over 1 million Canadians?
You may not be implicated in the first wave, but if Voltage
and Canipre have their way you might be part of the second,
third, fourth, fifth or sixth waves. You may be innocent but your teenage son/daughter (or their friend) might not be.
Did you ever have wireless router on your modem that had
no security or low security?

Keep in mind that Barry Logan of Stratford and his company may be an even bigger long term threat than Voltage.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:48:57 EDT

stevey_frac posted : Sorry, I thought I laid it out quite clearly in my last post.

If CIPPIC is granted intervener status today and gets the motion for disclosure is denied, we will be donating the monies raised to them.

If they fail, we will be using the money to retain a lawyer, for the aid of those targeted.

I am not a lawyer, nor am I one of those targeted. I'm just a concerned citizen who decided to do something about the speculative invoicing practices used by Voltage.

--Steve

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:50:02 EDT

funny posted :

said by soundtech:

I also think we ought to hold off on the CIPPIC donation. If their intervention is not allowed, or is unsuccessful, we will need legal representation.

And if I may, I am aware of a team willing, and very able, to take this on. If anyone is interested in further details, pm me.

dont donate to cippic you might create an era of bias and get there intervenor status not allowed , just saying.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:49:58 EDT

Voltage posted : im with teksavvy but i didnt get named. never actually heard of Voltage before or any of their movies. i feel the same as you. frankly this is bs.

i appreciate what the OP is doing, but is this legit? is a lawyer the head of this campaign or what? at this point it appeared as if people werent 100% on where the money is going. i want to donate to something that has clear direction and validity.

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Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:35:49 EDT

A Lurker posted :

said by Voltage:

if they win or take up the case on behalf of people tomorrow? im confused...

I believe if CIPPIC quashes the motion then the money would simply be donated to them. If that fails, then it would be put to another use - such as legal advice on responses to the letters that people know is coming. Or (thinking ahead) to someone who plans to fight.

ETA: not one of those named, not even someone who torrents, but someone who donated because I don't like the methods that companies like Voltage use

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Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:04:16 EDT

Voltage posted :

said by stevey_frac:

OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!

if they win or take up the case on behalf of people tomorrow? im confused...

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:08:10 EDT

Shikomu posted : That gets my Vote.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:48:16 EDT

Fuzzy285 posted : I think you should approach CIPPIC again but without bringing up the money question, and make sure they can verify whose interests you represent. What's at stake for them here is the public interest and the ramifications of the methods Voltage is trying to use; it is greater than this initial group being targeted. They are probably focusing on getting standing on this motion, and may not not want to get too tangled with each individual's circumstances, at least not yet. You are only as strong as your weakest link after all. Nonetheless, it would be important to get clarification from them as to whether they'd need or want help from those targeted, and what they should be doing by way of preparation. Other than spending tons of money on lawyers, of course.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:56:03 EDT

anon posted : I say pay off a judge or mayor w/ it.

Works in Quebec. ;)

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Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:22:34 EDT

Rastan posted :

said by stevey_frac:

OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!

That's a sensible plan.

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Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:18:10 EDT

A Lurker posted : Sounds like a good idea.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:31:45 EDT

stevey_frac posted : OK. You fellows are very convincing. If CIPPIC wins the case for us, we donate to CIPPIC. If they do not, we start rolling our own legal defence!

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Wed, 19 Dec 2012 14:49:17 EDT

soundtech posted : I also think we ought to hold off on the CIPPIC donation. If their intervention is not allowed, or is unsuccessful, we will need legal representation.

And if I may, I am aware of a team willing, and very able, to take this on. If anyone is interested in further details, pm me.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:21:15 EDT

dad_of_3 posted :

said by qweloo:

CIPPIC is already funded I think and is part of the U of Ottawa. Unless they come and tell you they need money specifically for this mandate but I dont think it is the case.

Like somebody said, save these funds for when the extortion letters are sent out. Then the KEY point is make it easy for people to respond to them and call their bluff with a template letter. That needs some money. Then if it goes to court, you will need more money.

I'm tending to think along these lines as well. If CIPPIC however needs the funds to mount a proper intervention, then sure pass it along. If they don't, then perhaps wait and seel what happens on the next court date. If they are successful, then the fund should certainly go to them as there will be no further need of it. If they are unsuccessful, well, once the first extortion letters start to arrive....

Also, as someone else on another thread pointed out, perhaps the trolls are keeping tabs on these forums. Maybe they will think twice about going forward with actual litigation if they see how dedicated folks here are. If they KNOW there is a fund to help out the first possible defendants, then maybe they will think twice before proceeding. Remember this is all a money game for them. If a possible first defendant didn't have to worry about initial legal costs, I'm sure they would feel tons better telling Voltage to stuff any possible settlement offer....hmmmmm..

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 20:12:29 EDT

sanc5 posted : Very informative FAQ from CIPPIC:

»cippic.ca/online-anonymity-and-d···disclose

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:32:59 EDT

qweloo posted : CIPPIC is already funded I think and is part of the U of Ottawa. Unless they come and tell you they need money specifically for this mandate but I dont think it is the case.

Like somebody said, save these funds for when the extortion letters are sent out. Then the KEY point is make it easy for people to respond to them and call their bluff with a template letter. That needs some money. Then if it goes to court, you will need more money.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:13:54 EDT

swampboy posted : I think it is best to simply support CIPPIC and hope they achieve something on Jan. 14. Once the decision comes down, the strategy will have to change. That is when the best possible case/s should be assisted to get good case law. I want CIPPIC to be in a strong position to carry on. Some no name lawyer/firm with dubious expertise/experience is a little too risky for me.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:02:00 EDT

sanc5 posted : <>
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..What if they were not succcessful in their intervention? Do we start another defense fund drive? Maybe we should continue the fund drive for what it was originally intended for. If there was successful intervention, then we donate the fund to CIPPIC as it is no longer needed. People, if they wish, can contribute voluntarily to both CIPPIC and the defense funds... as others probably are inclined to do so. Just a thought...

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:45:52 EDT

stevey_frac posted : I don't think we'd be able to force a condition on CIPPIC. However, CIPPIC has already sent a letter to the court to state their intention of intervening.

I haven't yet had a response from CIPPIC or from David Fowler.

If the court orders the release of the info despite the intervention, I'm not sure what we could really do with $1000.

In any case, I won't donate any money to CIPPIC until I know they will intervene, and that this money will make a meaningful difference in their ability to do so.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:37:44 EDT

skd posted : Yes, I also agree with that. We must donate these funds provided they are also committed on opposing the motion with support to us as a group.

CIPPIC has lot of other things in hand as well. Donating without a condition may make them spend on anything they like and we don't want them to lose focus on the efforts for which it was donated.

Did you get any reply from them? Not sure if they are willing to take it & In the worst case even with their opposing, if court declares to release info, we need info on how they will support the defendents ?

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:25:37 EDT

stevey_frac posted : And what if CIPPIC is on a shoestring budget? What if the contribution of a few thousand dollars would make a huge difference in their ability to combat this for us? The whole point of this campaign has been that if we stand together we are way strong than if we stand apart. It seems to me to be in the spirit of the campaign to donate our funds to CIPPIC, provided they are going to intervene on our behalf.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:41:44 EDT

swampboy posted : I just donated to CIPPIC and am recommending that everyone do so. I think they are the best chance to fight the trolls. Also the donation is tax-deductible in the current year if you donate by Dec 31. Please let your friends, family and co-workers know that anyone with a wifi network is at risk.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:05:58 EDT

sanc5 posted : <>
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Make sense to me.. I second the moton.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:30:33 EDT

Shikomu posted : I am in the same boat I may contribute if CIPPIC can use the funds for this purpose.

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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:43:05 EDT

d4m1r posted :

said by stevey_frac:

Right now, Unless someone demands that their funds not be used for such, I think we should push all our funds to CIPPIC to stop the disclosure motion from going forward. So, essentially, 100% of funds go to CIPPIC for their litigation efforts.

Agreed. If CIPPIC takes up the case, I'd be more inclined to donate if the money went to them.
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Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:24:10 EDT

Fuzzy285 posted : You should continue to build this fund until it is clear whether anyone will get sued. There's still a good chance that names and addresses will eventually be disclosed and individuals will have to fight the trolls. You're not out of the woods yet, not by a long shot. Let CIPPIC try to do its job regarding the public interest, they already have the means. If they fail, you'll need that money still.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:04:24 EDT

analog andy posted : I just donated and sure pass it forward to CIPPIC.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:35:18 EDT

bbbc posted : I was the first to donate and I have no problem with the funds going to CIPPIC.

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Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:06:59 EDT

stevey_frac posted : Right now, Unless someone demands that their funds not be used for such, I think we should push all our funds to CIPPIC to stop the disclosure motion from going forward. So, essentially, 100% of funds go to CIPPIC for their litigation efforts.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:01:21 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by stevey_frac:

I'm reaching out to as many donors as I can, to see if they would be OK with donating funds to CIPPIC. I don't want to be accused of using the funds for something other than what I said. I would argue supporting CIPPIC is essentially the same thing, But I think it's only fair to them.

Does anyone object to donating the proceeds of the campaign to CIPPIC?

Maybe we need a break down. If funds go to so and so they will be used for this. If they go to so and so they will be used for this and that.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:47:38 EDT

A Lurker posted : No. I've IM'd you the message of my confirmation email. If you want to redirect mine you have my permission.

Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:26:43 EDT

stevey_frac posted : I'm reaching out to as many donors as I can, to see if they would be OK with donating funds to CIPPIC. I don't want to be accused of using the funds for something other than what I said. I would argue supporting CIPPIC is essentially the same thing, But I think it's only fair to them.

Does anyone object to donating the proceeds of the campaign to CIPPIC?

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:59:18 EDT

skd posted : May be you can try sending the mail directly to David Fewer, since I read in some other thread he mailed someone directly. Also I would like them involved, since they were the one who came to Court with something making it up to Judge rather than just for watching.

I mean they were working for the crowd rather than securing a 'client' once the court ordered release for information.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:57:09 EDT

stevey_frac posted : I've been reaching out to the CIPPIC to see what they would be willing to do for us.

I attempted to reach Karl Bode, the site admin. He did not respond to me.

I have also sent this to Michael Giest with no response.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:52:33 EDT

JMJimmy posted : Not sure about DSLR but TorrentFreak you can probably just email them. Might be worth sending it to Michael Giest as well.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:50:42 EDT

qweloo posted : how can we get this campaign on the front page of DSLR and news site like torrentfreak so that customers from the other ISPs get a chance to know about it ? because it is also in their interests to counter these copyright trolls.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:49:44 EDT

analog andy posted : So anyone have an idea what this money should be best used for? I'm holding off on my donation until I see where it'll go and if that party can make the biggest impact on the case.

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:40:10 EDT

stevey_frac posted : That's a good idea. I will do this tonight.

--Steve

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:23:01 EDT

JMJimmy posted : Might be worth updating the campaign with further details, the updates in the case.

Perhaps with the latest developments that should CIPPIC succeed in blocking the disclosure of personal information that the money raised will be donated them?

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Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:20:15 EDT

TwiztedZero posted : ugh @ posting bug, Sorry for the duplicate posts, was sure I only posted it once.
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Re: Kickstarter for funds VS Voltage Lawsuits-CAMPAIGN LAUNCHED!

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:31:50 EDT

funny posted :

said by stevey_frac:

I believe you are referring to step 2, where it gives you the option to connect using your Facebook account. You definitely do NOT have to do this.

The steps go something like this:

1) Put in a donation amount.
2) Enter an email. It can be fake if you want, but if fake, you won't be notified of payment. Don't need to connect to Facebook.
3) Select 'Anonymous'
4) Enter a comment if you want, or not.
5) Contribute

It's not to difficult. Sorry if I wasn't clear before... Hopefully this helps.

ok here comes 100$ to the cause hope this helps everyone