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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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Cities?

Only TWO cities have given Google what they wanted. Those cities will be the one footing this bill for YEARS to come after Google sells the network off.

And Schmidt may claim its a real business but in the end, he'll do what his shareholders and investors what. ROI!

No company keeps offering a product that doesn't make any money.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
said by TBBroadband:

he'll do what his shareholders and investors what. ROI!

No company keeps offering a product that doesn't make any money.

Which is precisely why more and more of the world is accelerating ahead of us, while we battle tired old and quite frankly disproved gut-feelings and theories.

Had we had this dogma 80 years ago, the majority of us would have have no sewage system, use gravel roads, and use wells for our water supply.

RWers must stop listening to the propaganda of Faux News and pundits on talk-radio and enter the 21st century. Until you do so, the rest of us are stuck here waiting.


ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA
said by Telco:

said by TBBroadband:

he'll do what his shareholders and investors what. ROI!

No company keeps offering a product that doesn't make any money.

Which is precisely why more and more of the world is accelerating ahead of us, while we battle tired old and quite frankly disproved gut-feelings and theories.

Had we had this dogma 80 years ago, the majority of us would have have no sewage system, use gravel roads, and use wells for our water supply.

RWers must stop listening to the propaganda of Faux News and pundits on talk-radio and enter the 21st century. Until you do so, the rest of us are stuck here waiting.

So you are upset that we aren't a socilaist country and the government takes care of us? That is the way MOST of these other countries are doing it.

I would MUCH prefer not to have government involvement and things get built out however that may or may not be by private enterprise.


Mike
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reply to TBBroadband
Google was ruined because of this investor centered short term quarterly profit projections.

It used to be an innovation company. Now it's basically a giant advertising and data mining firm.
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FFH5
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
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reply to Telco
said by Telco:

Which is precisely why more and more of the world is accelerating ahead of us, while we battle tired old and quite frankly disproved gut-feelings and theories.

And where would that be? Asia where all the workers are toiling away for slave wages. Europe, country by country going broke under the burden of unaffordable social services.
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silbaco
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join:2009-08-03
USA

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reply to Telco
You want the government to pay for ftth for you? That's great, but.... The government is broke. End of story.

On a side note... I have no problem with living on a gravel road. And using well water and a septic tank has saved me a considerable amount of money over the years.

big_e

join:2011-03-05

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Under the Bush administration the government had enough money to start a trillion dollar war under false pretenses, cut taxes on wealthy to the lowest levels in modern history, and prohibit medicare from negotiating drug prices with big pharma.

Funny how the government is always wealthy enough to give sweetheart deals to the rich and large corporations, but is always too poor when it comes to spending money on things that would benefit the rest of the population.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ropeguru
Yes, for some things, utilities for one (which internet is) the government would serve it's people well to provide.

Some things are simply too important and have to large a barrier of entry to rely on the greed soaked business world to provide.

BeakersBro

join:2011-06-24
reply to TBBroadband
said by TBBroadband:

Only TWO cities have given Google what they wanted. Those cities will be the one footing this bill for YEARS to come after Google sells the network off.

And Schmidt may claim its a real business but in the end, he'll do what his shareholders and investors what. ROI!

No company keeps offering a product that doesn't make any money.

You are being silly - there wouldn't be any bill for the cities to foot. If Google walked away and gave their physical plant to the city, someone would have an opportunity for large profits since most of the expense is in physical plant and not operations - particularly with a relatively new network.

that would be even more of a bonus for the cities.

jc100

join:2002-04-10

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reply to ropeguru
We are a Socialist Country:

Did you PERSONALLY finance the cost of every road you drive on - No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right to have roads. = Socialized.

Did you PERSONALLY build the schools and OWN THEM that your children attend. No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the rightt = Socialized.

Did you PERSONALLY Cover 100% of the Cost to build Power Grids (Tennessee Valley Authority, etc) to Give Electricity to rural America? No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right = Socialized.

Are you PERSONALLY funding 100% of the BILLIONS given to Hospitals and Medical Institutions to find cures for diseases - No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right to have world class cures = Socialized.

So on and so forth. Get off your soap box. Unless you are personally creating the infrastructure with your PRIVATE MONEY and OWN what you create, then you are benefiting off the labor of every other America. That's the whole definition of SOCIALIZED. You don't own what's built. The government does.

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:

I would MUCH prefer not to have government involvement and things get built out however that may or may not be by private enterprise.

Why, specifically?

CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to TBBroadband
said by TBBroadband:

No company keeps offering a product that doesn't make any money.

Actually, Walmart does that quite often to deliberately destroy competition.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to silbaco
said by silbaco:

You want the government to pay for ftth for you? That's great, but.... The government is broke. End of story.

On a side note... I have no problem with living on a gravel road. And using well water and a septic tank has saved me a considerable amount of money over the years.

Oh for the love of god who do you think ensures that septic tank you bought works as advertised? And I'm sure you won't mind a gravel road until it massively increases maintenance requirements on your car, or causes everyone else to live closer to civilization.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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reply to Mike
said by Mike:

Google was ruined because of this investor centered short term quarterly profit projections.

It used to be an innovation company. Now it's basically a giant advertising and data mining firm.

Google voting stock is controlled by its founders. So wth are you talking about?

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to ropeguru
said by ropeguru:

So you are upset that we aren't a socilaist country and the government takes care of us? That is the way MOST of these other countries are doing it.

I would MUCH prefer not to have government involvement and things get built out however that may or may not be by private enterprise.

First off, without Gov, small has-been cities (areas) like Richmond would be Detroit. You do realize that the bread and butter of the Richmond area comes from NOVA and Tidewater area - all Gov.

You guys seem to confuse Socialism for Communism and the defense jobs so many rightist rely on in red states. All socialism means is that the Governments own and operate 'crucial' industries; it does not "give you anything".

Like I said earlier, because of what "prefer" the rest of the nation who actually produces the GDP and pay the bills (Democrat States) are left waiting. If you guys are not interested in progressing, fine, but don't hold our nation back.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to silbaco
said by silbaco:

You want the government to pay for ftth for you? That's great, but.... The government is broke. End of story.

On a side note... I have no problem with living on a gravel road. And using well water and a septic tank has saved me a considerable amount of money over the years.

Of course you do and I am not even going to begin to question your 'way of life'. Not even sure why you are on the internet or using a forum about technology.

Now for the rest of us, we want to start spending our taxes modernizing and growing America again.

Telco

join:2008-12-19

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reply to FFH5
When you say Europe, you guys tend to mean Greece, Portugal, and Spain - that's not "Europe". Same way the states that rank in the last 10 last for wealth (all Red States), do not represent the United States.

When I mean the world I mean the G20 economies, a list those nations don't even make. I mean lots of nations with a higher GDP per capita, and many with lower deficits, and even lower unemployment rates than ourselves.

"toiling away for slave wages" is ironic, considering that we have the lowest wages and perks of any advanced nation. Evidently, you have not heard of Walmart, where thousands of their employees rely on Gov Sect 8 and food stamps, while the Walton's fatten their pockets - by the billions.

BTW. Have you seen Romania's broadband options?


Guspaz
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reply to jc100
I live in Canada, where we have far more socialized policies than the US, and the official opposition party (which has occasionally polled in first place) is a socialist party.

I'm quite fine with that. And while many Canadians are not socialists (roughly two thirds vote for other parties), it was the founder of that socialist party, the father of our universal healthcare system, who was voted nationally as the "Greatest Canadian".

Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need? Americans act like it's some great evil that will sacrifice their firstborn son, while almost every other country in the world has embraced at least some socialist concepts such as universal healthcare.

I see some of the vitriolic debates that Americans get into on this and other subjects, and can't help but think to myself "What the heck is WRONG with you people? You've got bigger problems than this stuff."
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FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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said by Guspaz:

Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need?

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
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silbaco
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join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to Telco
Not sure why I am on the internet? Well let me give you a hint. There is fiber up to my house and presumably not yours. That might be a start.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to sonicmerlin
What do government regulations have to do with my comment? I never said regulations were bad, just wasteful spending.

As far as the septic tank... If you knew much about them you would know that there isn't much too them. Physics makes sure it works correctly, not the government. And I have lived on a gravel road for a long, long time, and have had relatively little maintenance done on my cars that were a result of gravel. Winter is the only real downfall and it hasn't been for several years.

avgbowler6

join:2005-08-10
Venice, CA

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reply to jc100
Hmmm, I think you are wrong about cures for diseases.

Also, TVA is the only quasi government agency that wired one small area of the US. That was done by private business.

The 1st freeway in the US was built by a private company, and so were the railroads.

Again, get off of this socialist kick, and get your facts right.

Also, before the take over by private government, the education system was private. Oh yeah, are the best schools and univiersities public or private?


DataRiker
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Telco

join:2008-12-19

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said by DataRiker:

said by FFH5:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept. I'm forced to waste my taxes paying for the $750 Billion Defense industry + the $4 Trillion just wasted on two wars.

They just don't seem to like my taxes being invested in building and growing America and Americans. Literally, as stated in our Constitution.

Kearnstd
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reply to FFH5
I didnt like my taxes bailing out banks but I had no choice but to still pay them. I think we should have let those greedy Motherfsckers burn. To Big to Fail is a load of bullshit from Faux News.
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jap
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038xx
reply to sonicmerlin

Re: Cities?

said by sonicmerlin:

Google voting stock is controlled by its founders. So wth are you talking about?

A reference to finance law governing publicly traded companies, I gather. Must justify individual projects as somehow profitable. Regardless of who owns the class-A stock if there is openly traded stock involved you have to conform to general investor expectations or risk suit. In the U.S. those expectations are controlled by exchange houses and myopic.

Google has definitely matured into maintainer-controlled status. Happens regardless of ownership, IMO. They had a long run as innovator/start-up though. Partly by vision of the founders, partly by virtue of their industry which was changing too fast to grow up.


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
reply to TBBroadband
And exactly what bill will the cities be footing, exactly?


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK
reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

country by country going broke under the burden of unaffordable social services.

And we're in no position to talk. We're going broke giving out handouts to individuals and industry, fighting wars, trying to police the world, plus we don't have the benefits---- just the expenses. Our greedy short-term thinking is murdering us.

We're all going to pay dearly for this travesty.
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jap
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reply to Telco
said by Telco:

Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept.

There's little collective consciousness in our culture. I chose to not have children yet help subsidize everyone else's without whining. It's good for my community and my society.

About those wars invasions & occupations, you've barely begun paying for them yet. Iraq was done on deficit.