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jc10098

join:2002-04-10
reply to FFH5

Re: Cities?

So then please take a stand and don't use the roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, and all the other goodies brought to you courtesy of the few hundred million American Taxpayers. These services are provided with funds pooled into a universal pot and dolled out for X projects. You nor I neither own these "Public" entities. The government runs and controls all the above through funding (hospitals and research) or direct involvement.

Guess you best can get to living like the days of Little House on the Prairie.

jc10098

join:2002-04-10
reply to Telco
But but but.. Think of all the jobs war creates... Surely, 4 Trillion lining the pockets of arms dealers and corporate America was worth the sacrifice... (sarcasm).

WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
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reply to facts matter
Yes but it was the Bush admin that did not want to regulate anything and allowed the housing finance bubble to grow and then pop. Most of the bailouts were already in progress before Obama was sworn in. That said I am for a real balanced budget every year. If a war is that important then pay for it as you go. In fact when they vote to go to war they vote to pay for it in a separate war tax. Don't wrap yourself in the flag if you are not willing to buy the flag.

Back to the subject at hand. It is alright for the government to help fund the fiber builds but they should treated like a private cable company. Taxes should not be charged to people that do not use the service. Like water if you do not use it there is no cost to the individual homeowner. The government should just provide the fiber and let private content providers provide the content.

cpuoverck

join:2012-09-29
Reviews:
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reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

said by FFH5:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Why not just dump all three and live life as free people?

Why should we be willing slaves to our government? It should be rewarding us for not needing government services, if there was any justic!

You can not truly be free if the government is forcing you to buy curly fry light bulbs and low flow toilets.

Our U. S. government was intended to allow us to live as free people. The rights we had 100 years ago have been gradually stolen by plutocrats and politicians, working together, to concentrate power over the way people live, always with the excuse of 'good intentions' to the point that they have been able to take control of the peoples health care, something the Constitution never gave them the right to do. We are 51 governments in the United States, but one is stealing the power of the 50, as the Tenth Amendment was supposed to prevent.

We are well on the 'Road to Serfdom' thanks to liberals and crapatlists. All this while liberals take the decision about what kind of sack I use to bring my groceries home in. I guess that taking away peoples free choices in order to make them happy is what liberalism really about.

I don't like it, and I guess that makes me a bad person. Sorry but go to hell is the only proper response to this kind of liberal.


DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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said by cpuoverck:

Why not just dump all three and live life as free people?

Because not living with looming bankruptcy for even minor illness gives more freedom than you can possibly imagine.

As a libertarian I have made a long pondered decision to bend my beliefs when it comes to healthcare for practical realities.

First, big business and big government already control healthcare, thus the neocon position you spout is extremely disingenuous and outright stupid.

Secondly, the liberal position on healthcare is equally weak. If your going to fight for universal health care, go on and do it. Completely socialize it and be done with it.

What really changed my mind was living in a country with socialized medicine, and how much more advanced and accessible it was than our own. The US may be a research leader in medicine, but it is a pathetic straggler when it comes to giving healthcare

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to Guspaz
If you want to understand the US's phobia of socialism, read up on your history of the First and Second Red Scares in US history. Pay special attention to the McArthy era, which was during the Second Red Scare. The Right Wing of American politics has managed to completely brainwash Americans into believing that socialism = communism. Plus, since socialism is a threat to the American form of capitalism, the men in charge want to keep the citizenry ignorant and brainwashed, all in the name of profit.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

What really changed my mind was living in a country with socialized medicine, and how much more advanced and accessible it was than our own. The US may be a research leader in medicine, but it is a pathetic straggler when it comes to giving healthcare

Wow, it's amazing to see that socialized medicine worked so well in that country that it changed the mind of a libertarian.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to Markie
Do you know what the country was like when 'producers' had all the power? Children worked in sweatshops. People worked all week, as many hours as the plants could force them to; 40 hour workweeks were nonexistent. Vacation? Hell no. Overtime? LOL. Safe working conditions? Hahahahaha. Living wage? Not if we can help it!

Is that how you'd rather our country work?

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
reply to Telco
Thank you. RWers say 'Europe' and act like the whole place is falling to shit, when really just a handful of countries are.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to cpuoverck
Seriously?

Humans are beings that needs socialization and community, the idea of being 'free' is just a petty idea that everyone dreams up.

You are just a naive kid, who doesn't understand the complexity of this world.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to Kearnstd
You don't realize that every faction (in this case the people, government, banks, and corporations) have their own needs and desires, agendas and goals.
It's much more complex than you are spouting up.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to TheRogueX
Gee, this makes the post-apocalyptic world a much better alternative for the US then lol!

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to Mike
At this point I can only *facepalm* as people posting against Google for lame excuses are only doing so to make themselves look idiotic.


dnoth

@comcast.net
reply to CXM_Splicer
said by CXM_Splicer:

Actually, Walmart does that quite often to deliberately destroy competition.

In fact, not only do they sell things that don't make money, they sell a lot of things at a loss for that exact reason.

Theirs TVs are sold at anywhere from 0% profit, to 10% loss, with the expectation on the employees to make that up by shoving equipment protection plans and other "addons"--such as 100% marked up HDMI cables, 90% marked up remote controls, or 40-60% marked up surge protectors--in your face at point-of-sale.

Next time you walk into a Walmart (or pretty much any retail store, for that matter), take notice where the Electronics department is located in relation to the entrance; it is likely tucked away in one of the far corners of the store, thereby forcing you to walk by other departments that might distract you on the way in/out.


dnoth

@comcast.net
reply to jc10098
said by jc10098:

You nor I neither own these "Public" entities.

Except if the sidewalk is in front of your house is icy, and someone slips on it. Then the government quickly claims you are responsible for that section of sidewalk, ergo the injured party can rightfully sue you for medical expenses incurred from the slip/fall.


cousintim

join:2004-10-10
Dallas, TX
reply to avgbowler6
said by avgbowler6:

The 1st freeway in the US was built by a private company, and so were the railroads.

Again, get off of this socialist kick, and get your facts right.

Get YOUR facts right.

The first long-distance, limited-access highway in the United States was the Pennsylvania Turnpike and it most certainly was publicly built.

The U.S. government provided significant funding for the transcontinental railroad with the Pacific Railroad Acts, starting in 1862, in the form of bonds and land grants. The cities of San Francisco and Sacramento also provided bond funding.

I hate to break it to you, but "we are all socialists now."

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