Topic 'Bell FTTH question' in forum 'Bell Canada' - dslreports.com

Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:48:30 EDT

Marshal posted : 1st, dont call them for support if you have issue.. they will tell you to put back the Sagemcom.. and if you have TV, forget the removal of the Sagemcom...

Internet is on Vlan35.. you then know what to do on pfsense :)

Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:17:24 EDT

johoja posted : What's the best way to get my pFsense to work correctly using just the ONT , and getting rid of the sagecom, is it possible ?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:36:51 EDT

darkrabbit posted : Dynamically assigned once you connect via PPPoE. When you disconnect PPPoE and reconnect, you'll get a new IP.

Rogers is dynamic as well but I kept the same IP for a year and a half, regardless of any power outages. They use DHCP.

So with Bell, if you want to keep the IP for a while, I'd highly recommend slapping the modem on a UPS so you don't drop your PPPoE connection.

-J

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:21:20 EDT

cataplexy posted : For FTTH 50/50, is the IP static or dynamic?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:21:38 EDT

darkrabbit posted : That blows :( I couldn't possibly care less about Bell's "Apps" but VOD is used quite often.

Well what I've done in the meantime is drop my FW in the DMZ, which works very well actually. IPSec and SSL VPN works fine. I have IPSec working from my PA firewall to a Fortigate at my colo, and client IPSec and SSL VPN works fine inbound to the firewall. I am a little surprised it was that easy... usually IPSec gets upset when NATed.

So in and out work great, and I get full speed. I still use my own VoIP solution which needs a public IP as well, and that I can't get from Bell so I am keeping a basic Rogers cable internet service for now. Oh well, it's useful for redundancy.

Rogers is piloting fibre now as well though. 250 / 250! And if it works anything like their cable modems and they come to my area, Bell will be gone VERY quickly.

-J

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:19:46 EDT

Rigor_M posted : Did not work last time i made some tests. :(

when saying VOD, I mean by that, all subscribed channel that also have vod like Prise2, SE, Casa, etc...

I did not try to rend a movie.

Also, Galaxie music did not work (not the channel but the apps) <-- that one maks more sens that it did'nt work

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:58:34 EDT

Marshal posted : VOD will work even without PPPoE in the sagemcom.
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Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:26:31 EDT

Rigor_M posted :

said by darkrabbit:

Do you mean with TV AND Internet or with Internet only? There are a number of threads where people got it to work Internet only I believe simply by spoofing the MAC and tagging outbound traffic on 35...

So from here, if for TV and Internet I MUST keep it inline, the question is how to get PPPoE passthrough working?

-J

Thats just it, you cant.. now without activating another port on the ONT..

for internet + TV, if you remove the PPPoE login from the sagemcom, you wont get VoD + apps working on the TV.. and removing the sagemcom from port 1 of the ONT, then, you wont get TV period.

Bell has squized the ball on this one.. they made sure that WE HAVE to use there equipement and nothing else.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:51:50 EDT

darkrabbit posted : Do you mean with TV AND Internet or with Internet only? There are a number of threads where people got it to work Internet only I believe simply by spoofing the MAC and tagging outbound traffic on 35...

So from here, if for TV and Internet I MUST keep it inline, the question is how to get PPPoE passthrough working?

-J

Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:19:33 EDT

Marshal posted : The sagemcom need to stay the 1st device after the ONT. there is no way yet to put it differently.
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Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:57:38 EDT

darkrabbit posted : Ok so I finally got my service installed. I have both Fibe TV and FTTH 50/50.

Has anyone been able to get PPPoE passthrough working on the Sagemcom with both TV and Internet? Some combination of resets, disabling things, etc? I can't seem to get PPPoE working on the firewall behind the Sagemcom, I guess Bell disabled multiple PPPoE logins (from the seaches I did).

I can drop the Sagemcom behind the firewall I suppose, and tag traffic leaving while dropping all PPPoE packets. That would allow the firewall to do PPPoE... I just now have to spoof the MAC of the Sagemcom on the firewall WHILE keeping the Sagemcom on an internal port, which would probably cause my switch to go a little nuts. I could pass it through multiple routes (as a MAC doesn't survive a route), but that seems like more work than needed...

I do have a L3 switch I can use to do some wizardry if I need to.. I guess I just need to know more about how the TV portion works.

Any ideas?

In the meantime, I am going to setup a span port and hook up a packet analyzer between the Sagemcom and the ONT. I need to understand a little more what I am dealing with.

-J

Re: Bell FTTH question

Sun, 27 Jan 2013 08:00:41 EDT

Marshal posted : only for multicast stream.

the internet apps on the tv go through vlan35 (internet)
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Re: Bell FTTH question

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:49:20 EDT

Rigor_M posted : I agree that its DHCP, but is that for the feed AND internet apps (do they both got out on vlan36) or is the vlan35 used for the TV's apps ?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:59:52 EDT

morisato posted : The Tv portion of the Sagecom is not pppoe it is DHCP.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:37:19 EDT

Marshal posted : You cant do that as there is only one port enabled on the ONT.
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Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:35:06 EDT

yyzlhr posted : I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that only one ethernet port on the ONT is actually active.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:21:01 EDT

Rigor_M posted :

said by tbb73:

For internet only it's very easy to get rid of the Sagemcom. Tag with ID 35 and spoof the MAC address of the Sagemcom... that's it, easy.

For the TV this is different. You need another VLAN ID (36), you need some static routes and complicated DNS setup because the sagemcom will redirect some DNS requests to the TV service DNSs at Bell...

Did you try to NOW spoof the sagemcom's MAC address ?

What i'm thinking is, leave the sagemcom for my TV feed and use another ethernet port on the ONT to connect my router with vlan 35 on its wan side.

the thing is, Bell stopped accepting multiple PPPoE logins so that makes it impossible to bridge the sagemcom and put a personal firewall behind it.

If its possible to not use the b1xxx code in the sagecom and NOT spoof its mac, it would be possible to use a personal router directly in the ONT ;-)

any toughts on this ?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:42:27 EDT

LondonDave posted : My sagemcom is still configured so if I ever have problems I'll hook that back up before even trying bell. I'm afraid of how confused bell would be if I tried to explain things.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:00:24 EDT

Paolo posted : and if u do have problems, will bell help you? what if something ends up not working? what is your backup plan?
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Re: Bell FTTH question

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:00:48 EDT

LondonDave posted : I'm on the 15/15 profile so I'm not really working the 1812 too hard. I was able to push the rogers 75/2 through it previously without any problems.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:57:32 EDT

anon posted : How's the throughput on your 1812? What kind of profile (speed) do you have?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:11:01 EDT

LondonDave posted : Very easy. I removed my sagemcom from the FTTH ONT and hooked up the f0.35 port from my cisco 1812 and I'm up and running with one less device on the wall.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:44:56 EDT

tbb73 posted : For internet only it's very easy to get rid of the Sagemcom. Tag with ID 35 and spoof the MAC address of the Sagemcom... that's it, easy.

For the TV this is different. You need another VLAN ID (36), you need some static routes and complicated DNS setup because the sagemcom will redirect some DNS requests to the TV service DNSs at Bell...

Re: Bell FTTH question

Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:54:44 EDT

STN posted : I would caution against replacing the Sagemcom in an FTTH setup. VLAN tagging is not the only required markings on the packets going into the ONT. For internet you may be ok, but for TV the Sagemcom marks the traffic in very specific ways.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:31:25 EDT

zed173 posted : It's also a company that makes firewalls

Re: Bell FTTH question

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:03:30 EDT

Paolo posted : sorry im new to ftth what does paloalto mean?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:03:07 EDT

Paolo posted : palo alto? isnt that california?

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:52:12 EDT

LondonDave posted : That's my plan this weekend. Why waste power on the sagemcom when I don't need it.
You may have to spoof the Mac of the sagemcom tho.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:17:46 EDT

darkrabbit posted : Thanks guys. Yeah the 'wall will do PPPoE on the interface. I just need to tag traffic I guess, so that's no issue. But.. the fibre connection coming in is an 802.1q tag, is it? So am I right in saying that I could connect the media converter / ONT into a switch which can split VLAN 35 and 36 (TV) off, then hook my FW to a switchport on VLAN 35?

-J

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:21:38 EDT

Qsig posted : As stated is still uses PPPoE; If you can tag traffic as VLAN 35 on the interface of the Palo Alto box, you can go directly from the Alcatel-Lucent ONT they'll give you to the firewall. This will skip the Sagemcom 2864 they provide.

I go from this box to my pfsense box so hopefully your firewall can do PPPoE on the interface. ;)

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:10:47 EDT

yyzlhr posted : FTTH still uses PPPoE. However, the days of "dialing" into your broadband connection are long gone. Modern day modems/routers handle the PPPoE connection for you so that you are always on. Pretty much a set it and forget it situation.

Re: Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:44:51 EDT

kovy posted : FTTH still works with PPPOE.

Bell FTTH question

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:35:48 EDT

darkrabbit posted : Hi all, I have some technical questions with respect to Bell's FTTH in Ontario.

Currently I have Rogers. My modem is in passthrough as it goes into a Palo Alto firewall with DHCP enabled. I get a real public IP on the FW of course. I need this as I use SSL and IPSEC VPN's to my colo.

Now apparently in our new house FTTH will be available, which is awesome since I was hoping they would give me light :) Unfortunately the reason I've never gone with Bell is because of their archaic use of phone lines and, worst of all, PPPoE, which is for all intents and purposes "dial up" (having to give a user ID and password prior to connection is something I haven't done since I had a 28.8k modem). Then the public IP used to rotate frequently on the outside while you'd get a private IP inside. All quite useless.

So I am wondering about FTTH, and whether the same old junk applies. Do I have to have an ID / password to "dial up" to my fibre connection? I am hoping they drop a fibre line in with a media converter or router, tip their hat and say "good luck". Sort of what they do with corporate fibre drops.

So for those with FTTH what are my options here? I NEED incoming traffic to work to the Palo Alto, a public IP, and I don't mind DHCP because I never disconnect.

-J