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Re: Cities? We are a Socialist Country:
Did you PERSONALLY finance the cost of every road you drive on - No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right to have roads. = Socialized.
Did you PERSONALLY build the schools and OWN THEM that your children attend. No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the rightt = Socialized.
Did you PERSONALLY Cover 100% of the Cost to build Power Grids (Tennessee Valley Authority, etc) to Give Electricity to rural America? No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right = Socialized.
Are you PERSONALLY funding 100% of the BILLIONS given to Hospitals and Medical Institutions to find cures for diseases - No... Every American paid Taxes that AFFORDED YOU the right to have world class cures = Socialized.
So on and so forth. Get off your soap box. Unless you are personally creating the infrastructure with your PRIVATE MONEY and OWN what you create, then you are benefiting off the labor of every other America. That's the whole definition of SOCIALIZED. You don't own what's built. The government does. |
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kudos:20 | I live in Canada, where we have far more socialized policies than the US, and the official opposition party (which has occasionally polled in first place) is a socialist party.
I'm quite fine with that. And while many Canadians are not socialists (roughly two thirds vote for other parties), it was the founder of that socialist party, the father of our universal healthcare system, who was voted nationally as the "Greatest Canadian".
Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need? Americans act like it's some great evil that will sacrifice their firstborn son, while almost every other country in the world has embraced at least some socialist concepts such as universal healthcare.
I see some of the vitriolic debates that Americans get into on this and other subjects, and can't help but think to myself "What the heck is WRONG with you people? You've got bigger problems than this stuff."
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kudos:5 | said by Guspaz:Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need?
How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
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Hmmm, I think you are wrong about cures for diseases.
Also, TVA is the only quasi government agency that wired one small area of the US. That was done by private business.
The 1st freeway in the US was built by a private company, and so were the railroads.
Again, get off of this socialist kick, and get your facts right.
Also, before the take over by private government, the education system was private. Oh yeah, are the best schools and univiersities public or private? |
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said by Linklist:How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.
I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine. |
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1 edit | said by DataRiker:said by Linklist:How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare. I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine. Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept. I'm forced to waste my taxes paying for the $750 Billion Defense industry + the $4 Trillion just wasted on two wars.
They just don't seem to like my taxes being invested in building and growing America and Americans. Literally, as stated in our Constitution. |
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I didnt like my taxes bailing out banks but I had no choice but to still pay them. I think we should have let those greedy Motherfsckers burn. To Big to Fail is a load of bullshit from Faux News.
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Re: Cities? said by Telco:Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept. There's little collective consciousness in our culture. I chose to not have children yet help subsidize everyone else's without whining. It's good for my community and my society.
About those wars invasions & occupations, you've barely begun paying for them yet. Iraq was done on deficit. |
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And who owns the government? The people do. And all those "rights" you speak of look like privileges to me. Oh, and you were founded as a republic, and flourished as a free market capitalist society and you didn't really start to flush yourselves down the shitter until mentalities like yours tipped the balance of power from producers to the free shit army. Congrats you are winning, unfortunately the prize will have to be shared by all...oh wait that is just how you like it, fair with the loosers lumped in with the producers and ribbons for all.
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So move to a damn island somewhere, defend your island from me attacking you for your coconuts, and pay for yourself when you get cancer and need medical assistance. It annoys me how people like you have no grasp on reality. The world would not be where it is without some socialism. Our country was FOUNDED on it. If you don't like it, GET OUT. Your opinion is UNPOPULAR, Antarctica is waiting, MOVE THERE.
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Re: Cities? said by Linklist:said by Guspaz:Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need?
How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part. How about that many Americans are not comfortable with the FORCED part about paying taxes to kill people in far away lands? Where is your outrage there?
edit: Sorry, I didn't realize that had already been brought up when I posted, I am playing catch-up and didn't read ahead! |
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I am not comfortable being forced to fund the military industrial complex through my taxes either. |
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said by jap:said by Telco:Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept. There's little collective consciousness in our culture. I chose to not have children yet help subsidize everyone else's without whining. It's good for my community and my society. About those wars invasions & occupations, you've barely begun paying for them yet. Iraq was done on deficit. Preaching to the choir. Both of the wars were borrowed - $4 Trillion worth - and this was deliberately kept off the books. The interest alone required to pay these wars over 30 years will top an additional $4 Trillion - that's $8,000,000,000,000 that the 'deficit hawks' conveniently ignore.
The negative ROI for this sort of expenditure should land people in jail, it's that bad. Heck, $350 Billion could have payed off Greece's debt - entirely. $2 Trillion could have rebuilt and repaved every road in America. $140 Billion wired every house in America with FTTH. Another $1.5 Trillion to modernize all of our dilapidated and archaic infrastructure throughout america.
That works out to be just shy of $3.99 Trillion. Can you imagine what this sort of expenditure would have done for American and the world? We are taking about millions of new jobs, new businesses, and so forth. |
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said by DataRiker:said by Linklist:How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare. I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine. I find myself inclined to agree. |
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Just thought I would point out, Fox news and most of the conservative talk hosts were adamantly AGAINST the bank bailout. "to big to fail" was a quote from the Obama administration, yet the bulk of these posts blame the conservatives for it. Sounds like you need to get your facts straight. You may be supporting the side you don,t believe in! |
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So then please take a stand and don't use the roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, and all the other goodies brought to you courtesy of the few hundred million American Taxpayers. These services are provided with funds pooled into a universal pot and dolled out for X projects. You nor I neither own these "Public" entities. The government runs and controls all the above through funding (hospitals and research) or direct involvement.
Guess you best can get to living like the days of Little House on the Prairie. |
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But but but.. Think of all the jobs war creates... Surely, 4 Trillion lining the pockets of arms dealers and corporate America was worth the sacrifice... (sarcasm). |
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Yes but it was the Bush admin that did not want to regulate anything and allowed the housing finance bubble to grow and then pop. Most of the bailouts were already in progress before Obama was sworn in. That said I am for a real balanced budget every year. If a war is that important then pay for it as you go. In fact when they vote to go to war they vote to pay for it in a separate war tax. Don't wrap yourself in the flag if you are not willing to buy the flag.
Back to the subject at hand. It is alright for the government to help fund the fiber builds but they should treated like a private cable company. Taxes should not be charged to people that do not use the service. Like water if you do not use it there is no cost to the individual homeowner. The government should just provide the fiber and let private content providers provide the content. |
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