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FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to Guspaz

Re: Cities?

said by Guspaz:

Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need?

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.
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DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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said by FFH:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric

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said by DataRiker:

said by FFH:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept. I'm forced to waste my taxes paying for the $750 Billion Defense industry + the $4 Trillion just wasted on two wars.

They just don't seem to like my taxes being invested in building and growing America and Americans. Literally, as stated in our Constitution.

Kearnstd
Space Elf
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
kudos:1
reply to FFH

I didnt like my taxes bailing out banks but I had no choice but to still pay them. I think we should have let those greedy Motherfsckers burn. To Big to Fail is a load of bullshit from Faux News.
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
reply to Telco

said by Telco:

Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept.

There's little collective consciousness in our culture. I chose to not have children yet help subsidize everyone else's without whining. It's good for my community and my society.

About those wars invasions & occupations, you've barely begun paying for them yet. Iraq was done on deficit.

Eek2121

join:2002-10-12
Newton, NJ
Reviews:
·FreedomPop
reply to FFH

So move to a damn island somewhere, defend your island from me attacking you for your coconuts, and pay for yourself when you get cancer and need medical assistance. It annoys me how people like you have no grasp on reality. The world would not be where it is without some socialism. Our country was FOUNDED on it. If you don't like it, GET OUT. Your opinion is UNPOPULAR, Antarctica is waiting, MOVE THERE.
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CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:2
reply to FFH

Re: Cities?

said by FFH:

said by Guspaz:

Few people in Canada, if any, understand the US phobias of concepts like socialism. We just don't get it. What's the big deal? What's so wrong about helping each other out in times of need?

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

How about that many Americans are not comfortable with the FORCED part about paying taxes to kill people in far away lands? Where is your outrage there?

edit: Sorry, I didn't realize that had already been brought up when I posted, I am playing catch-up and didn't read ahead!


Kommie
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join:2003-05-13
united state
kudos:3
reply to FFH

I am not comfortable being forced to fund the military industrial complex through my taxes either.


Telco

join:2008-12-19
Reviews:
·Callcentric
reply to jap

said by jap:

said by Telco:

Bingo! This is something these guys fail to grasp or accept.

There's little collective consciousness in our culture. I chose to not have children yet help subsidize everyone else's without whining. It's good for my community and my society.

About those wars invasions & occupations, you've barely begun paying for them yet. Iraq was done on deficit.

Preaching to the choir. Both of the wars were borrowed - $4 Trillion worth - and this was deliberately kept off the books. The interest alone required to pay these wars over 30 years will top an additional $4 Trillion - that's $8,000,000,000,000 that the 'deficit hawks' conveniently ignore.

The negative ROI for this sort of expenditure should land people in jail, it's that bad. Heck, $350 Billion could have payed off Greece's debt - entirely. $2 Trillion could have rebuilt and repaved every road in America. $140 Billion wired every house in America with FTTH. Another $1.5 Trillion to modernize all of our dilapidated and archaic infrastructure throughout america.

That works out to be just shy of $3.99 Trillion. Can you imagine what this sort of expenditure would have done for American and the world? We are taking about millions of new jobs, new businesses, and so forth.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to DataRiker

said by DataRiker:

said by FFH:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

I find myself inclined to agree.


facts matter

@qwest.net
reply to Kearnstd

Just thought I would point out, Fox news and most of the conservative talk hosts were adamantly AGAINST the bank bailout. "to big to fail" was a quote from the Obama administration, yet the bulk of these posts blame the conservatives for it. Sounds like you need to get your facts straight. You may be supporting the side you don,t believe in!


jc100

join:2002-04-10
reply to FFH

So then please take a stand and don't use the roads, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, and all the other goodies brought to you courtesy of the few hundred million American Taxpayers. These services are provided with funds pooled into a universal pot and dolled out for X projects. You nor I neither own these "Public" entities. The government runs and controls all the above through funding (hospitals and research) or direct involvement.

Guess you best can get to living like the days of Little House on the Prairie.


jc100

join:2002-04-10
reply to Telco

But but but.. Think of all the jobs war creates... Surely, 4 Trillion lining the pockets of arms dealers and corporate America was worth the sacrifice... (sarcasm).


WhatNow
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join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
reply to facts matter

Yes but it was the Bush admin that did not want to regulate anything and allowed the housing finance bubble to grow and then pop. Most of the bailouts were already in progress before Obama was sworn in. That said I am for a real balanced budget every year. If a war is that important then pay for it as you go. In fact when they vote to go to war they vote to pay for it in a separate war tax. Don't wrap yourself in the flag if you are not willing to buy the flag.

Back to the subject at hand. It is alright for the government to help fund the fiber builds but they should treated like a private cable company. Taxes should not be charged to people that do not use the service. Like water if you do not use it there is no cost to the individual homeowner. The government should just provide the fiber and let private content providers provide the content.


cpuoverck

join:2012-09-29

1 recommendation

reply to DataRiker

said by DataRiker:

said by FFH:

How about because socialism FORCES you to help out thru taxes. It isn't your choice whether to help or not. A lot of Americans aren't comfortable with the FORCED part.

No, instead we are forced to pay for our "defense industry" and corporate welfare.

I would much rather dump both in favor of socialized medicine.

Why not just dump all three and live life as free people?

Why should we be willing slaves to our government? It should be rewarding us for not needing government services, if there was any justic!

You can not truly be free if the government is forcing you to buy curly fry light bulbs and low flow toilets.

Our U. S. government was intended to allow us to live as free people. The rights we had 100 years ago have been gradually stolen by plutocrats and politicians, working together, to concentrate power over the way people live, always with the excuse of 'good intentions' to the point that they have been able to take control of the peoples health care, something the Constitution never gave them the right to do. We are 51 governments in the United States, but one is stealing the power of the 50, as the Tenth Amendment was supposed to prevent.

We are well on the 'Road to Serfdom' thanks to liberals and crapatlists. All this while liberals take the decision about what kind of sack I use to bring my groceries home in. I guess that taking away peoples free choices in order to make them happy is what liberalism really about.

I don't like it, and I guess that makes me a bad person. Sorry but go to hell is the only proper response to this kind of liberal.


DataRiker
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join:2002-05-19
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said by cpuoverck:

Why not just dump all three and live life as free people?

Because not living with looming bankruptcy for even minor illness gives more freedom than you can possibly imagine.

As a libertarian I have made a long pondered decision to bend my beliefs when it comes to healthcare for practical realities.

First, big business and big government already control healthcare, thus the neocon position you spout is extremely disingenuous and outright stupid.

Secondly, the liberal position on healthcare is equally weak. If your going to fight for universal health care, go on and do it. Completely socialize it and be done with it.

What really changed my mind was living in a country with socialized medicine, and how much more advanced and accessible it was than our own. The US may be a research leader in medicine, but it is a pathetic straggler when it comes to giving healthcare

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
Reviews:
·Mediacom

said by DataRiker:

What really changed my mind was living in a country with socialized medicine, and how much more advanced and accessible it was than our own. The US may be a research leader in medicine, but it is a pathetic straggler when it comes to giving healthcare

Wow, it's amazing to see that socialized medicine worked so well in that country that it changed the mind of a libertarian.

dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to cpuoverck

Seriously?

Humans are beings that needs socialization and community, the idea of being 'free' is just a petty idea that everyone dreams up.

You are just a naive kid, who doesn't understand the complexity of this world.


dra6o0n

join:2011-08-15
Mississauga, ON
reply to Kearnstd

You don't realize that every faction (in this case the people, government, banks, and corporations) have their own needs and desires, agendas and goals.
It's much more complex than you are spouting up.



dnoth

@comcast.net
reply to jc100

said by jc100:

You nor I neither own these "Public" entities.

Except if the sidewalk is in front of your house is icy, and someone slips on it. Then the government quickly claims you are responsible for that section of sidewalk, ergo the injured party can rightfully sue you for medical expenses incurred from the slip/fall.