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NOCTech75
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join:2009-06-29
Marietta, GA

NOCTech75

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More change we can believe in!

Love this hopey changey stuff!
ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

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ISurfTooMuch

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You don't honestly believe that this is confined to one administration or political party, do you? All of them are dirty, and it's been that way for decades. Plus, you have this whole level of government that isn't elected by anyone and isn't really answerable to anyone. These people, by and large, don't change when administrations change, so, no matter who's in office, they just keep chugging along.

goalieskates
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join:2004-09-12
land of big

goalieskates

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

You don't honestly believe that this is confined to one administration or political party, do you?

True overall, although Obama has taken this to a whole new level. He doesn't even pretend to follow the Constitution, doesn't care who knows it, and accepts no limits on his power. As the saying goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

ISurfTooMuch

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And his predecessor was any different? You may recall that he asserted that he could declare anyone an enemy combatant and have them held without being charged with anything, and such detentions could not be challenged in court. He also gave the NSA free reign to collect the call history of every single phone number in the country. And finally he claimed that he could alter any bill before signing it into law by simply issuing a signing statement making whatever changes he liked. And don't forget Total Information Awareness, which was run by John Poindexter, a convicted felon.

And it goes back further than that. The Clinton administration continued to push the Clipper Chip, which development was begun in the first Bush administration. Go back to Reagan, and you'll find the Library Awareness Program, which was an effort to get librarians to spy on what patrons were reading and share that information with the government. Further than that, you'll find the government illegally spying on people opposed to the Vietnam War,as well as civil rights activists.

NOCTech75
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join:2009-06-29
Marietta, GA

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NOCTech75

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Obama ran on the platform he was going to change the way things are done in Washington, he has failed completely in that regard... and this is one of the manifestations. Frankly we gotta get out of the "well the other guys" did it mentality and demand accountability.
ISurfTooMuch
join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL

ISurfTooMuch

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Oh no, I'm not justifying it. I'm pointing out that some people will say that the politician or political party they oppose is doing things like this, yet they conveniently forget that their favored politicians and party do exactly the same thing. In fact, it's things like this that both parties seem to agree on. The NDAA was pushed just as hard by Republicans in Congress as it was by the administration. And the granting of immunity to the telcos for helping the government spy on Americans was just as bipartisan.

In short, most all of them are in it up to their eyeballs.

sivran
Vive Vivaldi
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join:2003-09-15
Irving, TX

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He should've killed the filibuster while he had the chance.

WHT
join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

Total Information Awareness, which was run by John Poindexter, a convicted felon.

BTW..his conviction was overturned.