Topic 'Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase' in forum 'PC gaming Tech' - dslreports.com

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:59:52 EDT

Moos posted : Good to hear you got it working! Sometimes wiping everything and starting over is the way to go. Lol.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:09:05 EDT

McBrain posted :

said by me1212:

hopefully its all better now.

Everything is running smoothly. I've used MSI Afterburner to OC the card slightly...Off the top of my head I want to say I've turned the core clock up to 1170MHz (from 1100), the memory clock up to 1260MHz (from 1200), and the max power turned up 7%. I ran a couple FurMark Benchmarks (1920x1080) and ended up getting a score in the 2590s with a max temp of 68c, higher than the 7970s they had on comparison chart...I'm not sure if that score is good/bad/whatever, but it seems decent in my opinion.

Also, I've not gotten any errors or issues since the reinstall.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:41:38 EDT

me1212 posted : That looks good, hopefully its all better now.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 13 Dec 2012 07:44:14 EDT

McBrain posted : Full night of 25 man raiding last night...

Max temp of 54c.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:02:46 EDT

McBrain posted : No static wristlink, but I definitely turn off and unplug the PSU before I start touching anything.

I ended up reinstalling drivers from the mother board disc as well as from AMD's site once I got the network card up and running.

Fresh install of WoW, ventrilo, mumble, curse client, and GPU-Z. A brief test while sitting idle in Orgrimmar last night ended up with stable voltage and 43c temps.

I'm not exactly sure what the problem was, but a complete system reset seems to have fixed it...I'm happy it did, but it was just a pain in the ass.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:52:10 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Did you wear a static wristlink and turn off and unplug the PSU before working on it?

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:30:47 EDT

McBrain posted : I figure that I will need to reload the driver cd that came with the mobo...I just didn't feel like screwing around with it yesterday. Just one of those days where PC frustration would have probably put me over the edge, so I left it alone after the Windows install finished up.

I'll grab the mobo disc today and load the drivers from it this afternoon and see where that takes me.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:25:29 EDT

me1212 posted : Do you have another Ethernet cable you can try using, or the driver cd that came with the mobo you could get the ethernet drivers off of?

Its possible your mobo could have a problem, hopefully not though.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:18:57 EDT

McBrain posted : Hmm...I pulled the GPU out and reseated the heatsink after applying a new layer of thermal paste.

There weren't any QC stickers or other debris on the processor or heatsink, but there was an ungodly amount of paste there. I cleaned it off and replaced it with some Arctic Silver 5 that I actually picked up from Radio Shack.

When I put everything back together and turned on the rig to see if I got positive results, I got stuck at the Windows 7 splash screen. Windows wouldn't load past that...it basically froze at the splash screen forever...I restarted and loaded windows in safe mode. This is where I realized that there was no internet connection, even though the network cable was plugged into the motherboard directly from the modem which was working because my other devices (iPad, iPhone, Samsung SmartTV) were all receiving wifi from it.

I decided to do a clean install of Windows 7...once that was done, there was still no internet connection...I'm pretty sure my tinkering has gotten me to a place that's going to require someone more knowledgable than myself to straighten out.

I guess I know just enough to give myself a headache...which is exactly what's happened.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:58:13 EDT

McBrain posted : They've got a computer hobby shop on Camp Foster (or they did when I was there before) where I got my G15 and some other odds and ends. Amazon's shipping to Okinawa is actually really fast, too. That company is amazing...there are so many distribution warehouses world-wide, you can get almost anything you order within 3 days.

But I agree, building a toolkit before I leave is definitely a good idea.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:40:22 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Get Amazon Prime (free 2-day shipping) or use Newegg's free three-day shipping. My wife orders stuff we could pick up at Wal-mart all the time, but it's free shipping, and has no tax, so gg I guess.

Once you PCS, it's gonna be a whole lot harder to pick up what you need. I suggest you pre-stock before the move with a basic PC toolkit, some extra TIM, and extra power cables/sata cables/case fans/mobo screws/etc.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:35:16 EDT

McBrain posted : Probably. As a matter of fact, the other day when I moved the card to the other slot on the mother board I noticed that I could see some paste that had oozed out of the side of the heatsink.

I just talked to the department head of my IT department, and he's got a bunch of Arctic Silver in his tool bag at home that I'm going to pick up this afternoon. I used all the paste I had when I was building my rig in September and replacing the CPU heatsink on my old system that I sold to someone. This all wouldn't be an issue if I didn't live in the sticks and had the luxury of having a local computer store. But anything I need dealing with my rig has to be ordered online, or picked up from the closest Best Buy (60 miles away)...and that's if they even carry what it is that I need.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:19:08 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : They probably put way too much on as well--they always do, I guess to combat the TIM breaking down as it probably won't be touched for the life of the card in most cases.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:51:42 EDT

McBrain posted : My step-son is coming in town this weekend...this will give me an excellent opportunity to pull apart my rig and let him "help" me piddle around with it.

Looks like I'll be pulling off the heatsink and checking for debris as well as applying some new thermal paste.

We'll see where that leads me.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 05:58:52 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : Check this out... Might be what's wrong with yours: »www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/commen···%C2%BAc/

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Fri, 07 Dec 2012 01:54:46 EDT

Moos posted : Being that the VRM is up at 255 I would say your having some sensors issues. That's pegged showing that a sensor is misreading. If you were really at 255 there would be smoke coming out of your computer. Lol. That's like 500 degrees F.

I run a 7950 at 1100 MHZ and 1.31v and my temp's dont get over 56c under gaming load, for a reference.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:30:23 EDT

me1212 posted : A VRM is a voltage regulator modal. Its what feeds the voltage to your gpu, in this case.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:19:35 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by McBrain:

Oh, I almost forgot. I tried to turn down the voltage in MSI Afterburner, but every time I touched it, it crashed.

You'll have to adjust your clock speed down before you adjust voltage.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:51:33 EDT

McBrain posted : I don't even know what VRM is. That's probably a bad thing. I saw that number and was concerned as well...it didn't budge the entire time I had GPU-Z open, so I'm not sure what to think of it.

If anything was 255c in there I'd be able to physically feel it when I put my hand on the card, wouldn't I?

Oh, I almost forgot. I tried to turn down the voltage in MSI Afterburner, but every time I touched it, it crashed.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:33:23 EDT

me1212 posted : I've seen amd cards run at 1.3 and get to the mid 80s. I keep min under 1.1 but still, I've seen a lot higher and about the same temp. the 255C on the vrm is what worries me.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:25:56 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : Damn...that's cooking dude. My shit doesn't even break a sweat playing World of Warcraft.

I can see maybe in a 25man raid during heavy combat. You shouldn't be running that hot just sitting in Org.

Are AMD core voltages supposed to run that high? I thought 1.1v was high, you're showing 1.22v

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:38:08 EDT

me1212 posted : 85C isn't too bad actually, possibly a bit high for that low volts and only 1ghz on a 7000 series card, but not bad based on what I've read.

However, if I'm reading it right gpu-z says your vrm is 255C. That doesn't look right.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:11:55 EDT

McBrain posted : Here's a SS of all three monitoring programs open...This was taken after about two minutes idle in Orgrimmar.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:58:45 EDT

McBrain posted : I was just using CPUID Hardware Monitor and MSI Afterburner.

I am downloading GPU-Z now.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:56:42 EDT

me1212 posted : What all programs where you using to monitor the temps of the gpu?

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:51:23 EDT

McBrain posted : Just tried 12.8 drivers...started good with temps in game sitting in the 75-85 range...after a minute or two voltage went up to and stayed at 1.22 and temps were back to 100c...I pulled off the side of the case and touched the card casing. It didn't feel hot enough to the touch for it to be 100c, and it wasn't blowing super heated air from the fans...I'm confused now.

And since I've closed the game I'm back to .82v and 34c idle temp.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:26:27 EDT

pnjunction posted :

said by McBrain:

there's no way I could run stable for 4 hours at 100c, right? =

Where I work we check our chips up to 110 or 125C, I have heard that GPUs are rated for 105-120C but I don't have an official number for the 7970.

My 6970 with the reference cooler gets up to 90-92C under load. I've thought about putting a better cooler on it, mostly for noise but also to squeeze some more power out of it.

I see your 7970 already has a big cooler on it, and those typically reduce the load temp to soemthing in the 60s or 70s, so it seems wrong that it should get so hot unless something has gone wrong. Have you checked the temp with different drivers under the same conditions?

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:22:46 EDT

McBrain posted : I'm monitoring it right now with CPUID HW monitor. I'm at 33c at idle currently...MSI Afterburner is also reading 33c.

I can dl GPU-Z and see if I get different readings.

When I pulled the card out to change PCIe slots, it wasn't handled rough or anything, and I didn't have any problems with removing it from the old slot and seating it in the new slot.

What makes me think it isn't the card itself is the fact that CPUID HW Monitor and MSI Afterburner read that there's a .4v power increase when I'm in game, which I think is directly related to the high temps.

I'm pretty sure it is the new driver, since I never had a boost in voltage previously.

I'm uninstalling 12.11 beta11 for 12.08 right now.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:30:28 EDT

Moos posted : Try using something like GPU-Z to check your temps. You should have more then 1 sensor inside the chip, I think GPU-z will show you all of them. If all of them are up near 100 then it's not your sensor.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:27:50 EDT

Moos posted : Have you tried to put your hand on/near your card when it's at 100 to see if it's actually that hot? That way you can rule out the sensor or not. That's boiling water temperature so you should be able to tell with your hand. It sounds like your heatsink needs to be re-pasted and re-seated. Or RMA.

The sensor's are inside the processor so if it's a bad sensor then you have a bad chip. In my opinion it's not acting like a bad sensor though. I'm betting somehow your heatsink shifted/lost contact.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:07:20 EDT

Ghastlyone posted :

said by McBrain:

I guess I could delete/uninstall 12.11 beta and go back to 12.08, and see what that does.

Sometimes older drivers work better depending on your setup. I ran the Nvidia Beta drivers from June 2012 for awhile. GW2 ran beautiful for me. I remember upgrading to the newer official drivers a month or two later and the game ran like crap.

So I went back to my original ones.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:39:54 EDT

McBrain posted : The card was pulled out recently (Tuesday) and the old drivers were completely removed and uninstalled with the assistance of the Driver Fusion utility. There are no remnants of old drivers.

I guess I could delete/uninstall 12.11 beta and go back to 12.08, and see what that does.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:47:57 EDT

Moos posted : You can run stable at 100c for 4 hours. I wouldn't reccomend it longterm but it's not impossible. I'd expect you to start seeing some artifacting at a sustained heat that high though.

First thing i'd try is a complete uninstall and then Fresh install all video card drivers. There are a few methods if your not familiar with it, but it's more than just using the uninstaller. Everytime I have had a weird problem with AMD cards that seems to fix it, and if you did install wrong drivers then updated to new ones some remnants of the old ones may have been left behind. I can post a write-up of the steps I use if you want. You can find a ton of info on it via google too. I would probably also reseat and blow the dust out of the card to just out of habit.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:02:41 EDT

McBrain posted : RMA would be a pain in the ass, and a last resort (obviously). I'm PCSing to Okinawa shortly and I don't think MSI ships to FPO/AP addresses.

I've got the r7870 HAWK GHz Edition.

There must be a glitch in the sensor...there's no way I could run stable for 4 hours at 100c, right?
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:48:44 EDT

Krisnatharok posted : You could reseat the HSF, or possible RMA the GPU for a faulty sensor.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:46:49 EDT

Ghastlyone posted : For fuck sakes....100c?

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:08:41 EDT

me1212 posted : Which model do you have, and is it overclocked? It could be the temp sensors are messed up via some glitch in the beta driver.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:48:08 EDT

McBrain posted : Updated to .net4 driver and CAP2 last night...still ran at 1.22v in game and was consistently around 100c...

I decided I would play until I crashed and then use that as a reason to log early and go to bed...

I was stable all night...100c for 4 hours of raiding. So, I guess that's intended.

Next step is liquid cooling, I guess.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:44:51 EDT

me1212 posted : Let us know how it goes man, hope it works for you.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:28:34 EDT

McBrain posted : Yeah, I don't like my card running at 100c just sitting idle in a game...I'm going to go with the .net4 driver and CAP2 and see where that takes me.

On the bright side, it seems to have fixed my issue of dropping HDMI signal randomly in game.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:25:53 EDT

me1212 posted : I don't know, I don't have the .net4 one. I didn't know what it did so I got the other.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:50:08 EDT

McBrain posted : I'm pretty sure I downloaded the wrong driver last night = /, and forgot to download AMD 12.11 CAP2...

I downloaded and installed the 12.11 Beta driver for Win7 64 bit instead of the one for .NET4...When I logged into WoW, my GPU voltage increased from the stock .82v to 1.22v automatically...this caused my card to run at about 100c with fans blasting at 100%, just sitting idle in Orgrimmar. When I closed the game, the voltage decreased to .82 and temps dropped to my normal idle range of ~38c.

Would uninstalling/deleting the non-.NET4 driver and replacing it with the .NET4 edition as well as adding CAP2 fix this issue?
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 17:58:06 EDT

Cthen posted : One bug I found (I'll post the amd file name next time it happens) is that upon a system start up or reboot, these drivers will crash explorer.exe in Win7 64bit. ( I run only the 64bit version not sure about 32bit)

Upside is that all I have to do is click "Restart application" when it happens and all is good again. ;)

All my games are set to max settings already but saw no further performance increase on 2 6970's in Crossfire.
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Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:28:10 EDT

me1212 posted : I got them the night before I posted this. So far they have been pretty much flawless haven't found any games I cannot play at high-max settings.

Re: (Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 16:08:17 EDT

McBrain posted : Anyone using these drivers yet?

Experts say I'll get 15% performance increase from my 7870 GHz Edition...

(Probably late) Amd 12.11 drivers bring performance increase

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 09:23:21 EDT

me1212 posted : AMD's 12.11 "Never Settle" Driver Performance, bring noticeable performance increases. With the new drivers the 7970 competes in performance with the 680, yet is still only priced about the same as the 670 about $100 less than the 680.

Haven't seen any benches for the 7950 vs the 660ti/670 but I assume the same holds true for them as well.

Very interesting, wonder how nvid is gonna respond.

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