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MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
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TPP: We're about to get totally sold-out on copyright

If you think the current Voltage Pictures vs. Teksavvy thing is big, Harper's likely to invoke the 'notwithstanding clause' --- notwithstanding Canadian law, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement will put you in jail.

Trans-Pacific Partnership: Chief Canadian Negotiator Refuses To Say If Canada Will Uphold Copyright Laws
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/13···153.html

Anderson says he asked Hillman during a stakeholders’ question-and-answer session in New Zealand last week if she would commit to not overwriting copyright laws as part of the TPP agreement.

“She just sat there without reply,” Anderson told The Huffington Post Canada during an online chat. “The audience of mostly lobbyists, and TPP bureaucrats erupted with laughter.”

.....

The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade would not comment on the incident directly, but wrote in an email to HuffPost that it is “committed to developing a truly gold standard TPP agreement, reflecting a balanced outcome that is in the best interests of Canadians.”

“Our Government has consistently demonstrated its commitment to ensuring a strong intellectual property rights regime. We have ... completed the enactment of Bill C-11, the Copyright Modernization Act that will allow all Canadians to take full advantage of digital technologies,” spokesperson Caitlin Workman wrote.

Bill C-11, which became law this fall, limits the amount that file-sharers can be sued for, to $5,000, if the file-sharing was not for commercial purposes. It also limits the liability of internet providers in the case of copyright infringement, and puts in place a “notice-and-notice” system for repeated file-sharers.

Critics say all of these provisions could be overwritten by the TPP.

TPP negotiations are being held in secret and draft texts are not being made public, but a copy leaked last year showed the deal would significantly expand the amount of time works would be under copyright, and would require countries to adopt criminal sanctions for non-commercial infringement of copyright, such as file-sharing.

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I wonder what the burden of proof will be.....some copyright troll using bogus software & methodology saying that they saw your ever-changing IP address someplace???



EUS
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Our gov't has turned into a pathetic whoredog to the US.
Sign on to TPP regardless of what the content is, or will be, our gov't is powerless to negotiate anything, but our leaders slobbered much cock to get on board, and continue to do so to stay on.
Disgusting.
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~ Project Hope ~


Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2

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reply to MaynardKrebs

It doesn't matter what harper says or what he signs, no Canadian will ever go to jail for downloading a movie. Ever.

*edit* The notwithstanding clause only applies to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not all laws.



Quake110
Premium
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON

said by Samgee:

It doesn't matter what harper says or what he signs, no Canadian will ever go to jail for downloading a movie. Ever.

Please, develop your reasoning.

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
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said by Quake110:

said by Samgee:

It doesn't matter what harper says or what he signs, no Canadian will ever go to jail for downloading a movie. Ever.

Please, develop your reasoning.

Harper is not king, any deal he may agree to would still need to be turned into law, approved by the house and senate. He was barely able to get through the current version, and will never be able to put one through that will allow for criminal charges applied to non-commercial infringement. And even in the remote change that having control of both the house and senate he manages to, no judge or appeals court is going to allow jail time as an appropriate punishment for a file download, let alone the supreme court.

Would never happen.


elwoodblues
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Somewhere in
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Actually trade agreements fall outside the purview of Parliament.
The government of the day can make any trade deals they want.

The US however requires Congress to approve such deals.



JunjiHiroma
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join:2008-03-18
reply to MaynardKrebs

said by MaynardKrebs:

If you think the current Voltage Pictures vs. Teksavvy thing is big, Harper's likely to invoke the 'notwithstanding clause' --- notwithstanding Canadian law, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement will put you in jail.

Trans-Pacific Partnership: Chief Canadian Negotiator Refuses To Say If Canada Will Uphold Copyright Laws
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/13···153.html

Anderson says he asked Hillman during a stakeholders’ question-and-answer session in New Zealand last week if she would commit to not overwriting copyright laws as part of the TPP agreement.

“She just sat there without reply,” Anderson told The Huffington Post Canada during an online chat. “The audience of mostly lobbyists, and TPP bureaucrats erupted with laughter.”

.....

The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade would not comment on the incident directly, but wrote in an email to HuffPost that it is “committed to developing a truly gold standard TPP agreement, reflecting a balanced outcome that is in the best interests of Canadians.”

“Our Government has consistently demonstrated its commitment to ensuring a strong intellectual property rights regime. We have ... completed the enactment of Bill C-11, the Copyright Modernization Act that will allow all Canadians to take full advantage of digital technologies,” spokesperson Caitlin Workman wrote.

Bill C-11, which became law this fall, limits the amount that file-sharers can be sued for, to $5,000, if the file-sharing was not for commercial purposes. It also limits the liability of internet providers in the case of copyright infringement, and puts in place a “notice-and-notice” system for repeated file-sharers.

Critics say all of these provisions could be overwritten by the TPP.

TPP negotiations are being held in secret and draft texts are not being made public, but a copy leaked last year showed the deal would significantly expand the amount of time works would be under copyright, and would require countries to adopt criminal sanctions for non-commercial infringement of copyright, such as file-sharing.

---------------

I wonder what the burden of proof will be.....some copyright troll using bogus software & methodology saying that they saw your ever-changing IP address someplace???

They turned down the UN treaty for censoring the net cause in the end,THEY (the US) want the TPP instead.
The Anti-Importing Laws will hurt badly for gamers (that like to get games that have better Voice Actors or Games that'll never release in North America.They'll be forced to get the North American Version instead.It'll hurt import movie lovers as well that like to import foreign movies) which is embedded in the TPP.


Spike
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join:2008-05-16
Toronto, ON

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reply to MaynardKrebs

The only "Stakeholders" in this mess are the general public who are about to be screwed.

I hate that term with a passion, just because you have a bunch of greedy billionaires in a room together doesn't make them stakeholders solely because they have ownership of imaginary property that was created by other people that may not share the same opinions.

Nobody with common sense is ever going to respect copyright for as long as they live while the industry continues using this poor attitude that the public must stay out of negotiations even though they are the ones that will be greatly affected by this steaming pile of dog crap.

I don't think Canada even knows what they are doing, they pass C11 with all this happy joy about fairness, only to go into the TPP which dictates a complete overhaul of copyright that makes America's current laws look like the old wild west.

Yes, lets just gut the first sale doctrine and grey market while we are at it. I thought America didn't like recessions but they surely don't seem to want to help out with the economy if they're now going to dictate what *legal goods* you can or cannot import on behalf of big content. Enforcing that crap is going to cost an absolute fortune!



corster
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join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC
reply to elwoodblues

said by elwoodblues:

Actually trade agreements fall outside the purview of Parliament.
The government of the day can make any trade deals they want.

Not if they require legislative changes to be enacted. Something on the scale of the TPP would certainly require an implementation act, just like most free trade agreements do.

LondonOntGuy

join:2004-05-12
London, ON
reply to MaynardKrebs

They can suck my ass. Many of the shows that I download don't even air in Canada.