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Re: Theoretical Question

said by Lone Wolf:

Here's what gets me lost.

Copy/Paste from wikipedia:

The BMW New Class starting in 1962 with the 1500 and continuing through the last 2002s in 1977. four-cylinder M10. 02 Series 1600 and 2002 in 1966. New Class four-doors with numbers ending in "0" were replaced by the larger BMW 5 Series in 1972. The upscale 2000C and 2000CS coupes were replaced by the six-cylinder BMW E9, introduced in 1969 with the 2800CS. The 1600 two-door was discontinued in 1975, the 2002 replaced by the 320i in 1975.

Maybe I'm just an old, drunken, burnt out stoner, but these numbers are ridiculous.

Naw, you are being reasonable in your observation and complaint. That's why you should just trust me in my posts on the subject of the thread.

Actually, I prefer Mercedes over BMW, (the BMW is still a fine car--despite the iDrive), but the first time I went to the BMW web site to "build" a BMW I too was stunned at the stupidly listings of cars.


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said by Blogger:

said by Lone Wolf:

Here's what gets me lost.

Maybe I'm just an old, drunken, burnt out stoner, but these numbers are ridiculous.

Naw, you are being reasonable in your observation and complaint. That's why you should just trust me in my posts on the subject of the thread.

Actually, I prefer Mercedes over BMW, (the BMW is still a fine car--despite the iDrive), but the first time I went to the BMW web site to "build" a BMW I too was stunned at the stupidly listings of cars.

MB isn't much better.

A-Class—Hatchback
B-Class—Multi-Activity
C-Class—Saloon, Estate & Coupé
CL-Class—Luxury Coupé
CLS-Class—4 Door Coupé
CLS-Class—4 Door Shooting Break
E-Class—Saloon, Estate, Coupé & Cabriolet
G-Class—Sports Utility Vehicle (SUV)
GL-Class—Sports Utility Vehicle (SUV)
GLK-Class - Sports Utility Vehicle (SUV)
M-Class—Sports Utility Vehicle (SUV)
R-Class—Luxury Tourer Vehicle (LTV)
S-Class—Luxury Sedan
SL-Class—Roadster
SLK-Class—Roadster
SLS AMG—Coupé and Roadster
Viano—Multi Purpose Vehicle (MPV)

Lots of sub-classes too. It's confusing but I'm beginning to understand it.


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Yes, but they, Mercedes start the pyramid or "tree" of cars sold with a much easier and understandable beginning at the opening page of cars offered on their website than BMW. Very user friendly.


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I do not know what all these E numbers mean with BMW.

as far as I am concerned they are meaningless. 1 series is a small car, 3 series is a sports coupe, 5 series is a mid sized luxury sedan, 7 series is the land yacht that is in the same market as things like the Cadillac DTS.

if someone tells me BMW E9, I will think they are telling me they parked their BMW in lot E9 at the mall.
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said by CylonRed:

The one thing I hated about my Civic and hate about our Odyssey... Timing belts.

My A4 says hi.
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99.999% of BMW owners know nothing about the E designation - unfortunately I am somewhat used to it... If you buy parts online it is a lot handier to know the E designation when looking up parts.

»www.pelicanparts.com/bmw/techart···_faq.htm
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That site is websensed for me, but am I right in guessing that it has something to do with the year?

Such as with Audi A4

B5 - 95-01
B6 - 02-05
B7 - 05.5-08
B8 - 09-Current
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quote:
What do they call my car an E something when its a 325i, 535i, etc..?

When you hear you car being referred to as an E classification, what they are referring to is the body style of a particular car. For instance, BMW has produced a 3 Series model from 1976 to 2003. Naturally, the body style changes over time, so to avoid confusion; they refer to the 1976-83 3 Series as an E21, the 1984-91 cars as E30, 1992-99 cars as E36, and the present models as the E46. Keep in mind that certain early cars do not have an E number. Heres a break down of the E numbers as well as the early designations
The link also has a break down of all of the model letters (is, Xi etc...) and also the engines codes.
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hmm interesting. Never knew the models related to engine size.(So Hypothetically in terms I can wrap my brain around, if my Impala where a BMW it would have been a 538i 5 series with a 3.8L fuel injected engine.)

Going to be honest I had always figured all luxury cars with numbers instead of names that the numbers where just made up by throwing a cat and mouse into a room of keyboards and seeing what came out. Never knew that the full sized BMW was a 740 because it had a 4l engine.
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A 240Z had a 2.4 l engine. A 280Z had a 2.8 l engine. (Of course we called them 24 ounce and 28 ounce.)



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Generally true - very recently they have gotten away from the displacement for the model numbers on some of the cars. I believe with the turbos it they are getting away from the displacement since the turbos can be added to make a lot of power with less displacement.

I want to say that the M135i has a 3 liter engine but makes the power of a 3.5 liter engine.

My 330 i is an injected, 3 series with a 3 liter engine.
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said by CylonRed:

quote:
When you hear you car being referred to as an E classification, what they are referring to is the body style of a particular car. For instance, BMW has produced a 3 Series model from 1976 to 2003. Naturally, the body style changes over time, so to avoid confusion; they refer to the 1976-83 3 Series as an E21, the 1984-91 cars as E30, 1992-99 cars as E36, and the present models as the E46.designations

How about that!

I would have simply done something stupid in designation like E Series: 1976-83, or 1984-91, or 1992-99 and so on.

What could I have been thinking?


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quote:
I would have simply done something stupid in designation like E Series: 1976-83, or 1984-91, or 1992-99 and so on.
Could be this killer cold I have but I have yet to figure this part out...
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said by Kearnstd:

as far as I am concerned they are meaningless. 1 series is a small car, 3 series is a sports coupe, 5 series is a mid sized luxury sedan, 7 series is the land yacht that is in the same market as things like the Cadillac DTS.

But for people that care, 3-series is not very descriptive.

I have a 3-series.
CylonRed See Profile has a 3-series.

But he'll tell you they are completely different cars. I have an E90, he has an E46 (and he probably thinks an E90 is not a proper 3-series).

You could convey the same info by model year, but then you'd have to know stuff like when the model changed. (The switch from E46 to E90 was for the 2005 model year). And really, the year isn't as relevant. A guy that's interested enough to want to buy a (used) E46 likely is not so much concerned with the exact year as much as he wants that particular model. Yeah, there are year-to-year differences, but they're overshadowed by the complete body-style change.

Me, I don't care (but then, I drive an E90) but I pick up stuff from the gearheads now and then.


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I missed this part "3 series is a sports coupe,"

The problem with this is that the 3 series had coupes (Ci models) AND sedans (usually a xxx i model). I have a sedan - 4 door. The ZHP is a 2 door along with any other 3 series coupe. So saying a 3 series is a sports coupe - isn't correct.

Just like "Beemer" is not a car...
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said by Lone Wolf:

Let's say you are selling your business and retiring and you are over 60 years old. Pretend you can spend up to $75,000 on any car or truck you want, new or used, but you don't have a garage. Wife and kids are out of the house and you live alone so a 2 seat car will be OK. You're not handsome so you really don't want a convertible although a retractable hardtop is fine.

0-60 times and comfort are the 2 most important objectives but you want something different than a Corvette or Shelby Mustang. Entry and exit must befit an elder person and high maintenance vehicles are verboten. Also, this will be your primary driver.

What would you buy?

CTS-V. For sure.


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CTS-V or a low mileage 2009 XLR-V (black) retractable hardtop convertible would be nice too!